Comments on: Cary, North Carolina Uses IRV for First Time http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/15/cary-north-carolina-uses-irv-for-first-time/ Sun, 12 Feb 2012 05:30:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4722 By: Tom Yager http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/15/cary-north-carolina-uses-irv-for-first-time/comment-page-1/#comment-137947 Tom Yager Tue, 16 Oct 2007 13:48:44 +0000 http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/15/cary-north-carolina-uses-irv-for-first-time/#comment-137947 "North Carolina used to have “fusion voting” which could be done without making ballot casting and counting more complicated." If it's too hard for us to order our preferences "1-2-3", then our country is in even more trouble than I thought. "IRV has been a fiasco in Cary, and it will be a fiasco for San Francisco this November." IRV has worked just fine in Takoma Park, Burlington, and San Francisco so far. "And IRV is serving as incumbent protection in San Francisco. See http://www.instantrunoffvoting.us/sanfrancisco.html for a catalog of news articles about how IRV is affecting San Francisco’s elections." If a city the size of San Francisco can't muster one person to challenge Gavin Newsom for mayor, that's not the fault of the voting system. “North Carolina used to have “fusion voting” which could be done without making ballot casting and counting more complicated.”

If it’s too hard for us to order our preferences “1-2-3″, then our country is in even more trouble than I thought.

“IRV has been a fiasco in Cary, and it will be a fiasco for San Francisco this November.”

IRV has worked just fine in Takoma Park, Burlington, and San Francisco so far.

“And IRV is serving as incumbent protection in San Francisco. See http://www.instantrunoffvoting.us/sanfrancisco.html
for a catalog of news articles about how IRV is affecting San Francisco’s elections.”

If a city the size of San Francisco can’t muster one person to challenge Gavin Newsom for mayor, that’s not the fault of the voting system.

]]> By: NC Voter http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/15/cary-north-carolina-uses-irv-for-first-time/comment-page-1/#comment-137897 NC Voter Tue, 16 Oct 2007 05:19:44 +0000 http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/15/cary-north-carolina-uses-irv-for-first-time/#comment-137897 Try looking up "election methods" at wikipedia to learn about different methods besides IRV. IRV doesnt help the third parties. Don't believe me, go to www.australianpolitics.com and find out. Australia has had IRV for decades and still has 2 party domination. North Carolina used to have "fusion voting" which could be done without making ballot casting and counting more complicated. IRV has been a fiasco in Cary, and it will be a fiasco for San Francisco this November. And IRV is serving as incumbent protection in San Francisco. See http://www.instantrunoffvoting.us/sanfrancisco.html for a catalog of news articles about how IRV is affecting San Francisco's elections. Good luck. Try looking up “election methods” at wikipedia to learn about different methods besides IRV.

IRV doesnt help the third parties.
Don’t believe me, go to http://www.australianpolitics.com and find out.

Australia has had IRV for decades and still has 2 party domination.

North Carolina used to have “fusion voting” which could be done without making ballot casting and counting more complicated.

IRV has been a fiasco in Cary, and it will be a fiasco for San Francisco this November.

And IRV is serving as incumbent protection in San Francisco. See http://www.instantrunoffvoting.us/sanfrancisco.html
for a catalog of news articles about how IRV is affecting San Francisco’s elections.

Good luck.

]]> By: Joel http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/15/cary-north-carolina-uses-irv-for-first-time/comment-page-1/#comment-137854 Joel Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:03:45 +0000 http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/15/cary-north-carolina-uses-irv-for-first-time/#comment-137854 Someone should forward this to Arnold's office. Someone should forward this to Arnold’s office.

]]> By: NC Voter http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/15/cary-north-carolina-uses-irv-for-first-time/comment-page-1/#comment-137835 NC Voter Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:42:44 +0000 http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/15/cary-north-carolina-uses-irv-for-first-time/#comment-137835 All they had to count in Cary's District B contest were 2,731 ballots. They flubbed that because of the sorting and stacking and deciding where each vote was to be re-allocated. They made hand counting of ballots, (said to be the most accurate method) look bad. Oct 12, 2007 05:52 PM Recount widens Frantz lead in Cary A double-checking of votes today in Cary's razor-thin District B Town Council election showed that Don Frantz appears to be the unofficial winner after all.... But Elections Director Cherie Poucher said today that an audit of the votes found math mistakes: several votes for Frantz had been missed, and a group of 24 one-stop ballots had been counted twice for Maxwell. http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/735111.html Oct 11, 2007 "No clear winner in Cary council race" North Carolina's first "instant runoff" election still hasn't produced a clear winner....Wake elections officials counted ballots in the Cary Town Council District B race today. When they were done, auto shop owner Don Frantz had a tenuous lead of 28 votes -- 1,390 to 1,362 -- over Vickie Maxwell, a homemaker and community activist. There are still at least 35 and as many as 52 provisional ballots to count.... http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/733748.html Since then the second count was adjusted. But the provisional ballots were never counted. Tomorrow the provisional ballots will be counted, and it is likely that one of the candidates will request that the election be recounted - again, since the margin of error in the 2nd round of counting was between 3-5%. All they had to count in Cary’s District B contest were 2,731 ballots.

They flubbed that because of the sorting and stacking and deciding where each vote was to be re-allocated. They made hand counting of ballots, (said to be the most accurate method) look bad.

Oct 12, 2007 05:52 PM
Recount widens Frantz lead in Cary
A double-checking of votes today in Cary’s razor-thin District B Town Council election showed that Don Frantz appears to be the unofficial winner after all…. But Elections Director Cherie Poucher said today that an audit of the votes found math mistakes: several votes for Frantz had been missed, and a group of 24 one-stop ballots had been counted twice for Maxwell.
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/735111.html

Oct 11, 2007
“No clear winner in Cary council race”

North Carolina’s first “instant runoff” election still hasn’t produced a clear winner….Wake elections officials counted ballots in the Cary Town Council District B race today. When they were done, auto shop owner Don Frantz had a tenuous lead of 28 votes — 1,390 to 1,362 — over Vickie Maxwell, a homemaker and community activist. There are still at least 35 and as many as 52 provisional ballots to count….
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/733748.html

Since then the second count was adjusted.
But the provisional ballots were never counted.

Tomorrow the provisional ballots will be counted, and it is likely that one of the candidates will request that the election be recounted – again, since the margin of error in the 2nd round of counting was between 3-5%.

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