Comments on: Nader Sues Democratic National Committee for 2004 Dirty Tricks http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/30/nader-sues-democratic-national-committee-for-2004-dirty-tricks/ Tue, 16 Mar 2010 03:49:54 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Radford http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/30/nader-sues-democratic-national-committee-for-2004-dirty-tricks/comment-page-1/#comment-676968 Radford Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:48:21 +0000 http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/30/nader-sues-democratic-national-committee-for-2004-dirty-tricks/#comment-676968 I dont usually comment, but after reading through so much info I had to say thanks I dont usually comment, but after reading through so much info I had to say thanks

]]> By: ralph a. applegate http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/30/nader-sues-democratic-national-committee-for-2004-dirty-tricks/comment-page-1/#comment-400807 ralph a. applegate Tue, 10 Jun 2008 05:11:29 +0000 http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/30/nader-sues-democratic-national-committee-for-2004-dirty-tricks/#comment-400807 It is not the Presidential election that is important, it is the throwing out of either party that is important, otherwise we are going to get the same old money-changers back in office, regardless of their names!What is the next question? It is not the Presidential election that is important, it is the throwing out of either party that is important, otherwise we are going to get the same old money-changers back in office, regardless of their names!What is the next question?

]]> By: ralph a. applegate http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/30/nader-sues-democratic-national-committee-for-2004-dirty-tricks/comment-page-1/#comment-400800 ralph a. applegate Tue, 10 Jun 2008 05:05:57 +0000 http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/30/nader-sues-democratic-national-committee-for-2004-dirty-tricks/#comment-400800 What happened to the lawsuit? I am certain that most of our federal judges will fuck it up somehow because they only want to be called "good writers", an oxymoron! They have rules for every card played and will come up with more when they need them in order to violate our constitutional rights! Give me one instance where judges have upheld our rights and then I will ask that you identify another? Plus, aren't half of those millions , at least, cases reported absolutely wrong, wrong? I have a couple that are! What happened to the lawsuit? I am certain that most of our federal judges will fuck it up somehow because they only want to be called “good writers”, an oxymoron! They have rules for every card played and will come up with more when they need them in order to violate our constitutional rights! Give me one instance where judges have upheld our rights and then I will ask that you identify another? Plus, aren’t half of those millions , at least, cases reported absolutely wrong, wrong? I have a couple that are!

]]> By: Mark Richardson http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/30/nader-sues-democratic-national-committee-for-2004-dirty-tricks/comment-page-1/#comment-361124 Mark Richardson Sun, 11 May 2008 16:05:55 +0000 http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/30/nader-sues-democratic-national-committee-for-2004-dirty-tricks/#comment-361124 Number 41, Mr. Willeford, I hope you are well and having a wonderful Mother's Day. I understand your political frustration because I too feel things are hopeless at times. Please consider the effect this psychological trauma has had on you. When you resort to name-calling and negatively labeling anyone who doesn't agree with you, or whom you perceive as a threat to your vision of the perfect world, it makes you appear childish and self-centered. You also reveal your disturbing comfort with your ignorance and/or intolerance of the motivations, ideals, and goals of "Nader Fantatics," whatever those are, and of Ralph Nader himself. You say "Get the idiot out of the way." You mean out of your way so you can have everything just the way you want it, correct? That sounds more like a - well, I think it's obvious you're not interested in promoting democracy. You're for getting what you want and letting the ends justify the means. This is why your party is being sued. To all other masters of logic who have written in and bemoaned the consequences of Ralph Nader being on the the ballot in 2000, I gave a symbolic one-fingered salute to the dirty tricks played in 2004 when I voted for George Bush after the Democratic Party undemocratically prevented Nader from getting on the ballot in Oregon. It was symbolic because Kerry won Oregon, but it just shows the law of unintended consequences. I am working for Hillary now, though Obama will likely get the nomination. Really though, I'm in a quandry. I don't want Barack, Hillary, or John. Please tell me what I should do. I wouldn't want to stand in the way of other people having everything exactly the way they want it. The trouble is, some will want my wasted Nader vote to go towards McCain, and some will want it to be spent on Obama. I guess you just can't please everyone. Maybe I should do what I believe would be best for me, my family, my community, this country, and the world. What a concept, to do what I believe I should do, instead of what other people are trying to force me to do. To that end, Jim Willeford, regarding your attempts to verbally bully me into doing what you want me to do, your comments are lame. Truly weak. Not even annoying really, just completely without effect. Number 41, Mr. Willeford, I hope you are well and having a wonderful Mother’s Day. I understand your political frustration because I too feel things are hopeless at times. Please consider the effect this psychological trauma has had on you. When you resort to name-calling and negatively labeling anyone who doesn’t agree with you, or whom you perceive as a threat to your vision of the perfect world, it makes you appear childish and self-centered. You also reveal your disturbing comfort with your ignorance and/or intolerance of the motivations, ideals, and goals of “Nader Fantatics,” whatever those are, and of Ralph Nader himself. You say “Get the idiot out of the way.” You mean out of your way so you can have everything just the way you want it, correct? That sounds more like a – well, I think it’s obvious you’re not interested in promoting democracy. You’re for getting what you want and letting the ends justify the means. This is why your party is being sued.

To all other masters of logic who have written in and bemoaned the consequences of Ralph Nader being on the the ballot in 2000, I gave a symbolic one-fingered salute to the dirty tricks played in 2004 when I voted for George Bush after the Democratic Party undemocratically prevented Nader from getting on the ballot in Oregon. It was symbolic because Kerry won Oregon, but it just shows the law of unintended consequences.

I am working for Hillary now, though Obama will likely get the nomination. Really though, I’m in a quandry. I don’t want Barack, Hillary, or John. Please tell me what I should do. I wouldn’t want to stand in the way of other people having everything exactly the way they want it. The trouble is, some will want my wasted Nader vote to go towards McCain, and some will want it to be spent on Obama. I guess you just can’t please everyone. Maybe I should do what I believe would be best for me, my family, my community, this country, and the world. What a concept, to do what I believe I should do, instead of what other people are trying to force me to do. To that end, Jim Willeford, regarding your attempts to verbally bully me into doing what you want me to do, your comments are lame. Truly weak. Not even annoying really, just completely without effect.

]]> By: jim willeford http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/30/nader-sues-democratic-national-committee-for-2004-dirty-tricks/comment-page-1/#comment-282040 jim willeford Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:59:54 +0000 http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/30/nader-sues-democratic-national-committee-for-2004-dirty-tricks/#comment-282040 Ralph Nader is being perceived by a huge majority of Americans as downright senile and idiotic. Get the idiot out of the way. He is responsible for these Bush years and thoughtful folks KNOW it. You Nader fanatics are not gonna; spin your way out of this perception PERIOD!!!! Jim Willeford Ralph Nader is being perceived by a huge majority of Americans as downright senile and idiotic.

Get the idiot out of the way. He is responsible for these Bush years and thoughtful folks KNOW it. You Nader fanatics are not gonna; spin your way out of this perception PERIOD!!!!

Jim Willeford

]]> By: Patricia Null http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/30/nader-sues-democratic-national-committee-for-2004-dirty-tricks/comment-page-1/#comment-264617 Patricia Null Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:56:17 +0000 http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/30/nader-sues-democratic-national-committee-for-2004-dirty-tricks/#comment-264617 I would be very happy to participate in a grass- roots campaign to have Florida's primary votes counted. I think the decision to block the Florida Democrats from any representation at the convention was a big management decision MISTAKE. Please give the average person a chance to be heard. Remember, we are deciding the future of the USA, not settling a neigborhood squabble. Thanks for your consideration, Pat Null I would be very happy to participate in a grass- roots campaign to have Florida’s primary votes counted. I think the decision to block the Florida Democrats from any representation at the convention was a big management decision MISTAKE.
Please give the average person a chance to be heard. Remember, we are deciding the future of the USA, not settling a neigborhood squabble.
Thanks for your consideration,
Pat Null

]]> By: Jeanne Wimbley http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/30/nader-sues-democratic-national-committee-for-2004-dirty-tricks/comment-page-1/#comment-261645 Jeanne Wimbley Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:14:03 +0000 http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/30/nader-sues-democratic-national-committee-for-2004-dirty-tricks/#comment-261645 NO, Nader's entry in Presidential compition was NOT why Dems lost. Dems lose because its Leadership "cherry-picks" and resort to UNETHICAL, PRE-CHOOSING their candidates,and selling out REAL Winners as chosen by the people. And Party-Bosses usually pick LONG-WINDED, Repetitious Talkers, LOSE attention of regular folks living a REAL Lives--simply DO NOT HAVE time to hear speeches that go on and on and on! Bush-- for example had almost NOTHING to say--BUT, his short,Simple Sound Bite mantras--STUCK to even swayed Dem voters--weary of LONG WINDEDS. To think of hearing it for 4 years?UNBEARABLE!McCain gets it.THINK before Speak & get to the POINT. Democrats are SO LONG WINDED--no wonder they are called "DO-Nothing Congress" to which I might add, "Do NOthing but TALK,TALK..." Their Ideas die there in mounds of excess verbiage. IF CLINTON, after all her "mistakes"Iraq vote,Can't get it rifht FIRST time:Change of Staff,Campaign short-sightedness,extremely MIS-Managed Pres Campaign,$5 million LOAN to herself, against NOVICE Obama? Who brings MILLIONS of New Democrats--that this DNC is ready to dump all of them, to FAVOR their own Choice: Clinton? Let them do that to PROVE,DNC is just another are of Republicans and we can declare this Country's notion of DEMOCRACY as officially DEAD! Only a THIRD party can still save us. It seems this election is run for the sole purpose of REVITALIZING CNN,MSNBC and other ADVERTISEMENT MARKETEERS--who Are TRUE Beneficiaries of ELECTION DOLLARS RAISED BY so-called "Candidates" and provide Party PARTIES of the Elite Party HEADS. at expense of WE the suffering Peoples of the USA. (In REAL quest of Better lives) NO, Nader’s entry in Presidential compition was NOT why Dems lost.
Dems lose because its Leadership “cherry-picks” and resort to UNETHICAL, PRE-CHOOSING their candidates,and selling out REAL Winners as chosen by the people. And Party-Bosses usually pick LONG-WINDED, Repetitious Talkers, LOSE attention of regular folks living a REAL Lives–simply DO NOT HAVE time to hear speeches that go on and on and on! Bush– for example had almost NOTHING to say–BUT, his short,Simple Sound Bite mantras–STUCK to even swayed Dem voters–weary of LONG WINDEDS. To think of hearing it for 4 years?UNBEARABLE!McCain gets it.THINK before Speak & get to the POINT.
Democrats are SO LONG WINDED–no wonder they are called “DO-Nothing Congress” to which I might add, “Do NOthing but TALK,TALK…” Their Ideas die there in mounds of excess verbiage. IF CLINTON, after all her “mistakes”Iraq vote,Can’t get it rifht FIRST time:Change of Staff,Campaign short-sightedness,extremely MIS-Managed Pres Campaign,$5 million LOAN to herself, against NOVICE Obama? Who brings MILLIONS of New Democrats–that this DNC is ready to dump all of them, to FAVOR their own Choice: Clinton? Let them do that to PROVE,DNC is just another are of Republicans and we can declare this Country’s notion of DEMOCRACY as officially DEAD! Only a THIRD party can still save us. It seems this election is run for the sole purpose of REVITALIZING CNN,MSNBC and other ADVERTISEMENT MARKETEERS–who Are TRUE Beneficiaries of ELECTION DOLLARS RAISED BY so-called “Candidates” and provide Party PARTIES of the Elite Party HEADS. at expense of WE the suffering Peoples of the USA. (In REAL quest of Better lives)

]]> By: Jeanne Wimbley http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/30/nader-sues-democratic-national-committee-for-2004-dirty-tricks/comment-page-1/#comment-261553 Jeanne Wimbley Mon, 03 Mar 2008 16:37:47 +0000 http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/30/nader-sues-democratic-national-committee-for-2004-dirty-tricks/#comment-261553 Perhaps Mr. Nader KNOWS just how UN-DEMOCRATIC the DNC operates. Example: THEY (DNC) DECIDED in advance WHO the Democrat NOMINEE WILL BE SENATOR CLINTON. And, to be SURE SHE "WINS" they give her 235 Super-Delegates--before the race officially begins. And,apparently PROMISED Her the "WIN" status. This not provided her a HEAD start,where she is so self-assured,haughty,and down-right arrogant with "mere Appearances" she is ahead ofObama. Obama's Wins--are NOT supported by DNC, who are probably quaking in their boots because of "dumb" way they "punished MIch/FL votes" which was pre-calucalated FOR Clinton. What is "Democratic" about this election when DNC PRE-Determines WHO will be its Nominee? Even IF tthe Democratic Party FALLS to extinction? YAY. Nader, I say Keep them ON their toes because of DIRTY way thte DNC plays against one of MOST exciting Democratic Candidate, Barack Obama,whose electrification ogf People to BE involved politically is GREATEST OF TIME! Not just "since Kennedy" but, of ALL TIME--Period. Perhaps Mr. Nader KNOWS just how UN-DEMOCRATIC the DNC operates. Example: THEY (DNC) DECIDED in advance WHO the Democrat NOMINEE WILL BE SENATOR CLINTON. And, to be SURE SHE “WINS” they give her 235 Super-Delegates–before the race officially begins. And,apparently PROMISED Her the “WIN” status. This not provided her a HEAD start,where she is so self-assured,haughty,and down-right arrogant with “mere Appearances” she is ahead ofObama. Obama’s Wins–are NOT supported by DNC, who are probably quaking in their boots because of “dumb” way they “punished MIch/FL votes” which was pre-calucalated FOR Clinton.

What is “Democratic” about this election when DNC PRE-Determines WHO will be its Nominee? Even IF tthe Democratic Party FALLS to extinction? YAY. Nader, I say Keep them ON their toes because of DIRTY way thte DNC plays against one of MOST exciting Democratic Candidate, Barack Obama,whose electrification ogf People to BE involved politically is GREATEST OF TIME! Not just “since Kennedy” but, of ALL TIME–Period.

]]> By: Lori http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/30/nader-sues-democratic-national-committee-for-2004-dirty-tricks/comment-page-1/#comment-257295 Lori Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:46:21 +0000 http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/30/nader-sues-democratic-national-committee-for-2004-dirty-tricks/#comment-257295 It is so great to find Nader supporters! He was so articulate and inspiring on Meet the Press announcing his candidacy. I can't beleive how much negative crap there is about him on the web and it seems most people who consider themselves liberal are brainwashed into hating Nader. I really think if those people watched him on Meet the Press they would re-consider. It really helped 2 of my family members re-consider their avowed hatred. I've signed up to volunteer at nader.org and I hope you all will too! It is so great to find Nader supporters! He was so articulate and inspiring on Meet the Press announcing his candidacy. I can’t beleive how much negative crap there is about him on the web and it seems most people who consider themselves liberal are brainwashed into hating Nader. I really think if those people watched him on Meet the Press they would re-consider. It really helped 2 of my family members re-consider their avowed hatred.
I’ve signed up to volunteer at nader.org and I hope you all will too!

]]> By: Amit http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/30/nader-sues-democratic-national-committee-for-2004-dirty-tricks/comment-page-1/#comment-230231 Amit Fri, 08 Feb 2008 03:59:27 +0000 http://www.ballot-access.org/2007/10/30/nader-sues-democratic-national-committee-for-2004-dirty-tricks/#comment-230231 Well, I'm glad to see so many folks speaking out in support of Nader. He will get my vote any day as he is inspiring, honest and speaks truth to the power. If the best the Dems can offer is "anybody but Bush" as a serious contender, they deserve Bush as a president. Maybe the Democrats should seriously consider changing the name of their party to Un/antidemocrats as that would probably better reflect the actions of their party. Go Greens!! Go Nader!! Well, I’m glad to see so many folks speaking out in support of Nader. He will get my vote any day as he is inspiring, honest and speaks truth to the power. If the best the Dems can offer is “anybody but Bush” as a serious contender, they deserve Bush as a president.

Maybe the Democrats should seriously consider changing the name of their party to Un/antidemocrats as that would probably better reflect the actions of their party.

Go Greens!! Go Nader!!

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