Comments on: London Voters Use IRV to Choose New Mayor http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/05/03/london-voters-use-irv-to-choose-new-mayor/ Sun, 12 Feb 2012 05:30:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3679 By: Demo Rep http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/05/03/london-voters-use-irv-to-choose-new-mayor/comment-page-1/#comment-354721 Demo Rep Wed, 07 May 2008 02:36:08 +0000 http://www.ballot-access.org/?p=3265#comment-354721 http://www.londonelects.org.uk links to the voting systems and results for the London Assembly [city council] and Mayor. Stone Age math continues in the U.S.A. http://www.londonelects.org.uk

links to the voting systems and results for the London Assembly [city council] and Mayor.

Stone Age math continues in the U.S.A.

]]> By: Steve Rankin http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/05/03/london-voters-use-irv-to-choose-new-mayor/comment-page-1/#comment-354700 Steve Rankin Wed, 07 May 2008 01:58:10 +0000 http://www.ballot-access.org/?p=3265#comment-354700 Joshua #12: My point was that British and Canadian conservatives are not very conservative compared to US conservatives. That certainly applies to Stephen Harper, the current Canadian PM. I didn't figure very many readers were interested in the history that you've detailed so well. If memory serves, the Canadian Conservative Party merged with the Progressive Party in the 1940s to become the Progressive Conservatives. Preston Manning, the leader of the Reform Party, was sometimes compared to Ross Perot. The young man who challenged Kim Campbell for leader of the Progressive Conservatives in '93 later became the leader of a party in Quebec. Joshua #12: My point was that British and Canadian conservatives are not very conservative compared to US conservatives. That certainly applies to Stephen Harper, the current Canadian PM. I didn’t figure very many readers were interested in the history that you’ve detailed so well.

If memory serves, the Canadian Conservative Party merged with the Progressive Party in the 1940s to become the Progressive Conservatives.

Preston Manning, the leader of the Reform Party, was sometimes compared to Ross Perot.

The young man who challenged Kim Campbell for leader of the Progressive Conservatives in ’93 later became the leader of a party in Quebec.

]]> By: Demo Rep http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/05/03/london-voters-use-irv-to-choose-new-mayor/comment-page-1/#comment-354462 Demo Rep Tue, 06 May 2008 18:44:58 +0000 http://www.ballot-access.org/?p=3265#comment-354462 OBVIOUSLY BBC ran the story FIRST. BBC = ABC, CBS and NBC combined OBVIOUSLY BBC ran the story FIRST.

BBC = ABC, CBS and NBC combined

]]> By: Eric Prindle http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/05/03/london-voters-use-irv-to-choose-new-mayor/comment-page-1/#comment-354376 Eric Prindle Tue, 06 May 2008 16:07:43 +0000 http://www.ballot-access.org/?p=3265#comment-354376 I'm fairly certain that the mainstream British media ran stories communicating the results of the mayoral election in Britain's largest city before any American libertarian web sites did. I’m fairly certain that the mainstream British media ran stories communicating the results of the mayoral election in Britain’s largest city before any American libertarian web sites did.

]]> By: Joshua http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/05/03/london-voters-use-irv-to-choose-new-mayor/comment-page-1/#comment-354375 Joshua Tue, 06 May 2008 16:02:22 +0000 http://www.ballot-access.org/?p=3265#comment-354375 Steve: While the Conservative Party of Canada may not be that conservative by American standards, it is not the same as Brian Mulroney's party which won only 2 seats in 1993. Mulroney's party was the Progressive Conservative Party (PC). In 1993, much of the PCs' support in Western Canada went to the Reform Party which won 52 seats in that election. The Reform Party later became part of the Canadian Alliance party. In 2003, the Canadian Alliance merged with the PC to form the Conservative Party of Canada. In the three elections before the merger, the Reform or Alliance party won a lot more seats than the PC each time (although the Liberal Party won a majority in each election): 1993: Reform 52, PC 2 1997: Reform 60, PC 20 2000: Alliance 66, PC 12 So there is some connection between the old PC and the current Conservative Party, but they are not identical. Steve: While the Conservative Party of Canada may not be that conservative by American standards, it is not the same as Brian Mulroney’s party which won only 2 seats in 1993. Mulroney’s party was the Progressive Conservative Party (PC). In 1993, much of the PCs’ support in Western Canada went to the Reform Party which won 52 seats in that election.

The Reform Party later became part of the Canadian Alliance party.

In 2003, the Canadian Alliance merged with the PC to form the Conservative Party of Canada.

In the three elections before the merger, the Reform or Alliance party won a lot more seats than the PC each time (although the Liberal Party won a majority in each election):
1993: Reform 52, PC 2
1997: Reform 60, PC 20
2000: Alliance 66, PC 12

So there is some connection between the old PC and the current Conservative Party, but they are not identical.

]]> By: Eric Dondero http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/05/03/london-voters-use-irv-to-choose-new-mayor/comment-page-1/#comment-354330 Eric Dondero Tue, 06 May 2008 14:50:43 +0000 http://www.ballot-access.org/?p=3265#comment-354330 Clever attempt at a save there Mr. Winger. But Libertarian Republican blog was the very first libertarian site, (practically the first site of all political webs), to run with this story. Garris didn't mention it til a day later. Nice try. Clever attempt at a save there Mr. Winger. But Libertarian Republican blog was the very first libertarian site, (practically the first site of all political webs), to run with this story. Garris didn’t mention it til a day later.

Nice try.

]]> By: Demo Rep http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/05/03/london-voters-use-irv-to-choose-new-mayor/comment-page-1/#comment-353611 Demo Rep Tue, 06 May 2008 01:22:48 +0000 http://www.ballot-access.org/?p=3265#comment-353611 BBC News news.bbc.co.uk has links to the London math - Assembly [city council] -- add on P.R. seats Mayor -- top 2 IRV version BBC News
news.bbc.co.uk

has links to the London math -

Assembly [city council] — add on P.R. seats

Mayor — top 2 IRV version

]]> By: ETJB http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/05/03/london-voters-use-irv-to-choose-new-mayor/comment-page-1/#comment-353467 ETJB Mon, 05 May 2008 21:14:49 +0000 http://www.ballot-access.org/?p=3265#comment-353467 Intesting. Although it will be interesting to see how libertarian the Tory really is when it gets down to the nuts and bolts of public debate and policy. I understand that their is now a UK Libertarian Party, as opposed to just the Libertaian Alliance. Frankly, I liked and disliked some of the Libertarians I have know, but I have a hard time trusting any of them with public office. BTW, their was a US Constitutional Amendment Voting Rights Amendment proposed. I do not think it has gone anywhere past the committee. The original draft of the post-war voting rights amendment included a right to vote and to be a candidate. Anyone given much thing to drafting a constitutional amendment on candidate and political party rights? I have written a few, and have thought about circulating them to get some sort of discussion going. Intesting. Although it will be interesting to see how libertarian the Tory really is when it gets down to the nuts and bolts of public debate and policy.

I understand that their is now a UK Libertarian Party, as opposed to just the Libertaian Alliance.

Frankly, I liked and disliked some of the Libertarians I have know, but I have a hard time trusting any of them with public office.

BTW, their was a US Constitutional Amendment Voting Rights Amendment proposed. I do not think it has gone anywhere past the committee.

The original draft of the post-war voting rights amendment included a right to vote and to be a candidate. Anyone given much thing to drafting a constitutional amendment on candidate and political party rights?

I have written a few, and have thought about circulating them to get some sort of discussion going.

]]> By: Jim R http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/05/03/london-voters-use-irv-to-choose-new-mayor/comment-page-1/#comment-352705 Jim R Sun, 04 May 2008 22:59:26 +0000 http://www.ballot-access.org/?p=3265#comment-352705 The winners in 2004, 2004, and 2008 received 45.3%, 43.1%, and 47.6% of the total vote after the transfer of 2nd preferences. In a true runoff or in a Top 2 election, the voters would have had a chance to compare the two leaders side to side before casting their ultimate vote. The winners in 2004, 2004, and 2008 received 45.3%, 43.1%, and 47.6% of the total vote after the transfer of 2nd preferences.

In a true runoff or in a Top 2 election, the voters would have had a chance to compare the two leaders side to side before casting their ultimate vote.

]]> By: Steve Rankin http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/05/03/london-voters-use-irv-to-choose-new-mayor/comment-page-1/#comment-352691 Steve Rankin Sun, 04 May 2008 22:31:26 +0000 http://www.ballot-access.org/?p=3265#comment-352691 The Canadian and British Conservative parties are not very conservative by American standards. Brian Mulroney, Canadian PM from 1984 to 1993, raised taxes and left the economy in a mess. The Conservative Party was decimated in the '93 elections; only 2 CP candidates were elected to Parliament, and even the PM lost her seat. A politician like Margaret Thatcher couldn't be elected leader of the British Tories today. David Cameron, the current leader, is poll-driven and has even bought into the "climate change" hoax. The Canadian and British Conservative parties are not very conservative by American standards. Brian Mulroney, Canadian PM from 1984 to 1993, raised taxes and left the economy in a mess. The
Conservative Party was decimated in the ’93 elections; only 2 CP candidates were elected to Parliament, and even the PM lost her seat.

A politician like Margaret Thatcher couldn’t be elected leader of the British Tories today. David Cameron, the current leader, is poll-driven and has even bought into the “climate change” hoax.

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