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	<title>Comments on: Washington Democratic Party Asks State Not to Hold &#8220;Top-Two&#8221; Primary This Year</title>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you guys have a recommendation section, i&#039;d like to suggest some stuff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you guys have a recommendation section, i&#8217;d like to suggest some stuff</p>
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		<title>By: Demo Rep</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/07/07/washington-democratic-party-asks-secretary-of-state-not-to-hold-top-two-primary-this-year/comment-page-1/#comment-431707</link>
		<dc:creator>Demo Rep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Nominations for PUBLIC offices is PUBLIC business by PUBLIC Electors.

2. Internal party hack stuff is party hack business -- NOT to be controlled by a government.

See the 1989 Eu opinion by the Supremes -- that detected that 1 is NOT 2 and vice versa.

When will the party hack Supremes detect a party hack - State TOTAL separation -- just like the church - state TOTAL separation in the First Amdt (which also has been screwed up by the Supremes) ???

Is being a party hack part of a New Age religion ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Nominations for PUBLIC offices is PUBLIC business by PUBLIC Electors.</p>
<p>2. Internal party hack stuff is party hack business &#8212; NOT to be controlled by a government.</p>
<p>See the 1989 Eu opinion by the Supremes &#8212; that detected that 1 is NOT 2 and vice versa.</p>
<p>When will the party hack Supremes detect a party hack &#8211; State TOTAL separation &#8212; just like the church &#8211; state TOTAL separation in the First Amdt (which also has been screwed up by the Supremes) ???</p>
<p>Is being a party hack part of a New Age religion ???</p>
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		<title>By: Demo Rep</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/07/07/washington-democratic-party-asks-secretary-of-state-not-to-hold-top-two-primary-this-year/comment-page-1/#comment-431682</link>
		<dc:creator>Demo Rep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#19 The party hacks can NOT afford a newspaper want ad type cheap ballot and have party hack voters mail it in to be scanned --- or now have some genius party hack internet ballots (with national security levels of protection) ???

Heaven help the poor suffering party hacks.

Perhaps a perty hack can win a govt lottery and pay for a party hack primary (with or without independents allowed to vote) ???

Still waiting for a party hack answer to the #15 question about majority winners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#19 The party hacks can NOT afford a newspaper want ad type cheap ballot and have party hack voters mail it in to be scanned &#8212; or now have some genius party hack internet ballots (with national security levels of protection) ???</p>
<p>Heaven help the poor suffering party hacks.</p>
<p>Perhaps a perty hack can win a govt lottery and pay for a party hack primary (with or without independents allowed to vote) ???</p>
<p>Still waiting for a party hack answer to the #15 question about majority winners.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Rankin</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/07/07/washington-democratic-party-asks-secretary-of-state-not-to-hold-top-two-primary-this-year/comment-page-1/#comment-431291</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Rankin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#17, third paragraph:  the state has some say-so because it pays the costs of party primaries.  

In states that do not mandate open primaries, it&#039;s up to each party as to whether independents vote in its primary.  Unless the state prohibits it, a party may even invite members of opposing parties to vote in its primary.

In advance of the first round of Washington&#039;s &quot;top two,&quot; each party could conduct a primary.  No party will, of course, because of the expense involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#17, third paragraph:  the state has some say-so because it pays the costs of party primaries.  </p>
<p>In states that do not mandate open primaries, it&#8217;s up to each party as to whether independents vote in its primary.  Unless the state prohibits it, a party may even invite members of opposing parties to vote in its primary.</p>
<p>In advance of the first round of Washington&#8217;s &#8220;top two,&#8221; each party could conduct a primary.  No party will, of course, because of the expense involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/07/07/washington-democratic-party-asks-secretary-of-state-not-to-hold-top-two-primary-this-year/comment-page-1/#comment-430754</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US Supreme Court has never ruled that there can not be preliminary procedures, including elections, that eliminate some candidates from appearing on the November ballot.

In &lt;i&gt;Foster v. Love&lt;/i&gt;, Louisiana ran afoul of the law because they weren&#039;t holding any election on the designated date.  A voter might go to his designated polling place, and find it was being used for a feed store, church, or some other mundane activity.

The Love party argued before the US Supreme Court that everything would have been fine if they could just have had a write-in vote.  They just wanted a chance to vote for or against Billy Tauzin.  Louisiana&#039;s AG actually argued that it would have been OK to have the election in August and the runoff in September because Louisiana&#039;s manner of having elections was so novel.

Since Louisiana made no attempt to hold an election in November and actually certified its winners of not having been elected in November it was a slam dunk decision that even Justice Souter could be entrusted with.

If Congress really cared, they could have not seated the representatives from Louisiana, or they could regulate the primary process as well.

How does the August primary cause voter fatigue?  There tongue gets tired from licking the ballot envelopes?  Writer&#039;s cramp from filling out the ballot?  They get tired of listening to political advertisements?

Is a February primary better because it lets the voters rest up before November?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US Supreme Court has never ruled that there can not be preliminary procedures, including elections, that eliminate some candidates from appearing on the November ballot.</p>
<p>In <i>Foster v. Love</i>, Louisiana ran afoul of the law because they weren&#8217;t holding any election on the designated date.  A voter might go to his designated polling place, and find it was being used for a feed store, church, or some other mundane activity.</p>
<p>The Love party argued before the US Supreme Court that everything would have been fine if they could just have had a write-in vote.  They just wanted a chance to vote for or against Billy Tauzin.  Louisiana&#8217;s AG actually argued that it would have been OK to have the election in August and the runoff in September because Louisiana&#8217;s manner of having elections was so novel.</p>
<p>Since Louisiana made no attempt to hold an election in November and actually certified its winners of not having been elected in November it was a slam dunk decision that even Justice Souter could be entrusted with.</p>
<p>If Congress really cared, they could have not seated the representatives from Louisiana, or they could regulate the primary process as well.</p>
<p>How does the August primary cause voter fatigue?  There tongue gets tired from licking the ballot envelopes?  Writer&#8217;s cramp from filling out the ballot?  They get tired of listening to political advertisements?</p>
<p>Is a February primary better because it lets the voters rest up before November?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/07/07/washington-democratic-party-asks-secretary-of-state-not-to-hold-top-two-primary-this-year/comment-page-1/#comment-430752</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has the US Supreme Court issued any decisions remotely saying that partisan primaries are not &quot;elections&quot; because that would be in violation of the Helsinki Accords?

Is the whole of the gossamer thread that your argument hangs on that we don&#039;t know what Congress meant when they set the uniform congressional election date in 1872 (and actually achieved 100% compliance 86 years later), but once they ratified the treaty they locked in that peculiar definition?

And even if your argument were adopted what would that do to partisan primary elections as conducted in the United States?  That&#039;s a pretty phony independence when you tell the private organization when and where to make their nominations, and who may participate in making the nominations, and just so you get it right, we&#039;ll maintain your membership rosters and actually conduct the procedures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has the US Supreme Court issued any decisions remotely saying that partisan primaries are not &#8220;elections&#8221; because that would be in violation of the Helsinki Accords?</p>
<p>Is the whole of the gossamer thread that your argument hangs on that we don&#8217;t know what Congress meant when they set the uniform congressional election date in 1872 (and actually achieved 100% compliance 86 years later), but once they ratified the treaty they locked in that peculiar definition?</p>
<p>And even if your argument were adopted what would that do to partisan primary elections as conducted in the United States?  That&#8217;s a pretty phony independence when you tell the private organization when and where to make their nominations, and who may participate in making the nominations, and just so you get it right, we&#8217;ll maintain your membership rosters and actually conduct the procedures.</p>
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		<title>By: Demo Rep</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/07/07/washington-democratic-party-asks-secretary-of-state-not-to-hold-top-two-primary-this-year/comment-page-1/#comment-430106</link>
		<dc:creator>Demo Rep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 14 writes -- 

As to Washington state: what about the contention that, if the “top two” is not held in August, the state will have to revert to separate (”pick-a-party”) primaries in August?
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What is going to stop the Top 2 WA state primary in Aug. 2008 ???

An earthquake, a S.R. lawsuit, folks from outer space ???

Absentee ballots already being printed and mailed out -- including to Iraq and Afghanistan troops (defending *Democracy* in such areas and also the U.S.A.) ???

SORRY -- way too late for any party hacks to stop the WA top 2 primary from happening ???

Which Supreme may have his/her summer vacation disturbed by a party hack in WA State ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 14 writes &#8212; </p>
<p>As to Washington state: what about the contention that, if the “top two” is not held in August, the state will have to revert to separate (”pick-a-party”) primaries in August?<br />
&#8212;&#8212;<br />
What is going to stop the Top 2 WA state primary in Aug. 2008 ???</p>
<p>An earthquake, a S.R. lawsuit, folks from outer space ???</p>
<p>Absentee ballots already being printed and mailed out &#8212; including to Iraq and Afghanistan troops (defending *Democracy* in such areas and also the U.S.A.) ???</p>
<p>SORRY &#8212; way too late for any party hacks to stop the WA top 2 primary from happening ???</p>
<p>Which Supreme may have his/her summer vacation disturbed by a party hack in WA State ???</p>
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		<title>By: Demo Rep</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/07/07/washington-democratic-party-asks-secretary-of-state-not-to-hold-top-two-primary-this-year/comment-page-1/#comment-430101</link>
		<dc:creator>Demo Rep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What part of the Constitution magicially requires ANY party hack primaries --- especially paid for by taxpayers who may oppose everything that a party hack party stands for and does ???

i.e. like having commie party taxpayers paying for nazi primaries and nazi taxpayers paying for commie primaries ???

The whole mess is due to the party hack Supremes with ALL of their screwed up illogical ballot access cases since 1968.

NO primaries needed.

EQUAL nominating petitions (to show the *preliminary support* that the Supremes rave about) for direct general election ballot access.  

P.R. legislative
A.V. nonpartisan executive/judicial

--- pending more advanced head to head math.

Way too difficult for party hack MORONS to understand.
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What sayeth any party hack about ---

[[[Concededly, the State does have an interest in attempting to see that the election winner be the choice of a majority of its voters.]]] in #7 above ???

The Supremes are not good enough party hacks or were on 1968 hippie drugs when they approved such language ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What part of the Constitution magicially requires ANY party hack primaries &#8212; especially paid for by taxpayers who may oppose everything that a party hack party stands for and does ???</p>
<p>i.e. like having commie party taxpayers paying for nazi primaries and nazi taxpayers paying for commie primaries ???</p>
<p>The whole mess is due to the party hack Supremes with ALL of their screwed up illogical ballot access cases since 1968.</p>
<p>NO primaries needed.</p>
<p>EQUAL nominating petitions (to show the *preliminary support* that the Supremes rave about) for direct general election ballot access.  </p>
<p>P.R. legislative<br />
A.V. nonpartisan executive/judicial</p>
<p>&#8212; pending more advanced head to head math.</p>
<p>Way too difficult for party hack MORONS to understand.<br />
&#8212;-<br />
What sayeth any party hack about &#8212;</p>
<p>[[[Concededly, the State does have an interest in attempting to see that the election winner be the choice of a majority of its voters.]]] in #7 above ???</p>
<p>The Supremes are not good enough party hacks or were on 1968 hippie drugs when they approved such language ???</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Rankin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Rankin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 06:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard #12:  the runoff doesn&#039;t have to be in December.  Georgia&#039;s &#039;92 US Senate runoff between Paul Coverdell and Wyche Fowler, e.g., was held two days before Thanksgiving.  I&#039;m assuming GA&#039;s runoffs are still held 3 weeks after the general election.

Now that Louisiana has restored party primaries for its congressional elections, it will, of course, no longer have runoffs following federal election day.

Arizona had a runoff general election provision for a time, but I don&#039;t think it applied to congressional elections.  Since no one got 50% in the November 1990 governor&#039;s election, there was a runoff in February 1991.

As to Washington state:  what about the contention that, if the &quot;top two&quot; is not held in August, the state will have to revert to separate (&quot;pick-a-party&quot;) primaries in August?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard #12:  the runoff doesn&#8217;t have to be in December.  Georgia&#8217;s &#8216;92 US Senate runoff between Paul Coverdell and Wyche Fowler, e.g., was held two days before Thanksgiving.  I&#8217;m assuming GA&#8217;s runoffs are still held 3 weeks after the general election.</p>
<p>Now that Louisiana has restored party primaries for its congressional elections, it will, of course, no longer have runoffs following federal election day.</p>
<p>Arizona had a runoff general election provision for a time, but I don&#8217;t think it applied to congressional elections.  Since no one got 50% in the November 1990 governor&#8217;s election, there was a runoff in February 1991.</p>
<p>As to Washington state:  what about the contention that, if the &#8220;top two&#8221; is not held in August, the state will have to revert to separate (&#8220;pick-a-party&#8221;) primaries in August?</p>
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		<title>By: Demo Rep</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/07/07/washington-democratic-party-asks-secretary-of-state-not-to-hold-top-two-primary-this-year/comment-page-1/#comment-429210</link>
		<dc:creator>Demo Rep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 U.S.C. Sec. 7. The Tuesday next after the 1st Monday in November, in every even numbered year, is established as the day for the election, in each of the States and Territories of the United States, of Representatives and Delegates to the Congress commencing on the 3d day of January next thereafter.
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THE day -- THE election.

I see NO mention of any runoff general election -- regardless of any party hack Supremes opinion on the subject.

2 U.S.C. Sec. 7 above blatantly violates the *noon* in 20th Amdt, Sec. 1.

How many blatantly unconstitutional laws are there on the books --- due to reckless gerrymander party hacks ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 U.S.C. Sec. 7. The Tuesday next after the 1st Monday in November, in every even numbered year, is established as the day for the election, in each of the States and Territories of the United States, of Representatives and Delegates to the Congress commencing on the 3d day of January next thereafter.<br />
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<p>THE day &#8212; THE election.</p>
<p>I see NO mention of any runoff general election &#8212; regardless of any party hack Supremes opinion on the subject.</p>
<p>2 U.S.C. Sec. 7 above blatantly violates the *noon* in 20th Amdt, Sec. 1.</p>
<p>How many blatantly unconstitutional laws are there on the books &#8212; due to reckless gerrymander party hacks ???</p>
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