Phil

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Philippe Sawyer, Member
State and County Central Committees
Peace and Freedom Party of California

—–Original Message—–
From: Toby A.A. Heaps [mailto:toby@votenader.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 4:28 PM
To: Kevin Akin
Cc: Hansu; Phil Sawyer; ctwebervoters@att.net; Jason Kafoury; Mike
Richardson
Subject: Memo from Nader National Ballot Access Coordinator on Building
National Presence for the Peace and Freedom Party

Hi Kevin

Please see slightly amended memo (for 15) and below text (for everyone).

Cheers,
Toby

Subject: Memo from Nader National Ballot Access Coordinator on Building
National Presence for the Peace and Freedom Party

Michael Richardson, National Ballot Access Coordinator, Nader for President
2008, has spoken with C.T. Weber, and offered to on a pro-bono basis to help
the Peace and Freedom Party qualify in an additional 8-9 states in time for
the mid-term elections in 2010–all of which would not require large
expenditures of resources for the Party to organize.

As a note of assurance, Michael Richardson and any other Nader people that
may assist with this effort, will work with the existing core of the Peace
and Freedom Party so that Peace and Freedom Parties set up in other states
will be organically connected with the present Peace and Freedom Party, in
line with the resolution passed at the last State Central Committee meeting.

Full Details of the Memo can be obtained from Kevin Akin or ctweber.

Bush supporter, and corporate states of america supporter: out right lies!

I am in a state, Callifornia, where the Democratic candidate is going to win ALL the federal electors every four years. I can write in ‘Mickey Mouse’ or ‘Donald Duck’, go GOP for a protest vote, go Independent or alternative party [Perot, Perot, Nader, Nader, Nader?] or go along with the ‘Blue’ avalance no matter how corrupted [Bill Clinton, Joe Lieberman, John 'Yale Skull and Bones' Kerry (near clone of W) Hilary 'The Peace Candidate' Cl'inton] the Democan is that election.

I have been part of the planning and execution of an Invation Day/ Arlington West event every March. Here I have an on going failure. Many ‘right wing’ and even Bible thumping groups are not allowed to put their ANTI OCCUPATION views forth, as they do not pass the internal litmus test on UNRELATED items.

I was one of the loudest and more vocal early supporters of [supposedly Independent] threat to the banker/ lawyer/ judge/ old line San Diego establishment, ‘Surfer Girl’ Donna Frye, 2004 – 2005!

You calling me, as an Independent, Peace and Freedom candidate, reform movement activist an corporate influenced Bushite is pattenly A LIE! Plz google Don Lake [not the actor, not the lawyer] and Citizens For A Better Veterans Home……

So, again, not endorsing Ms Frye in October 2004 was a brilliant move, huh?

So associating [TR, Bull Moose] with well known, every day figures, some thing the average voter can relate to more that lame slogans, we a failures because these folks, like Franklin, Paine, Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Madison, Monroe, are not perfect!

So, again, the way a person or a team runs a campaign, primary or special or general election, is a hint, a broad, public, shout it from the roof tops HINT, of how they might mis manage in office.

‘Everyone’ whom has met the man up close [at least in 2004 in Southern California] took me aside later quietly shaking their heads with comments like ‘What was THAT all about?’ Have you met, met with, Uncle Ralph? Ever?

At a distance, a small army of pundants, yes some with their own not so hidden agenda, have long ago concluded that Uncle Ralph drives his election vehicle ‘off into a ditch’ each and every time. My first hand view of the train wreck known as California ballot snafu P2004 is my ‘exhibit A’

Can we not agree that politics is in large part public relations and communications? I have provided, item by item, detail by detail, he and his staff’s lack of grasp on those areas is grossly evident —to all but those whom do not wish to see.

So I am the enemy of the good grass roots folks? I do not think I act like it! Could you be wrong? Very wrong!

I, at length, go down the line per item. You response with broad snarkie brush strokes. Which one of us is the more disengenious? In the end, as the fascist imperial global American Empire literally ruins the planet, which one of us is wrong?

Exactly what did I lie about in reference to Nader (or anything else)?

Nothing and you know it. Your usual false charges applied to me, now? Now,
as before, I stick to the truth because it’s defendable without use of
inuendo and additional false statements. I suggest you try the same policy.
You’re nothing more than another person supporting the Bushites and corporate
government by attacking those actively opposing it.

You’re penny-ante complaints hardly are significant in the full scheme of
things. I note you didn’t respond at all to my actual comments, simply
repeating the nonsense of the earlier post.

You’re apparently complaining that Nader didn’t adopt other people’s views
and slogans? Okay…so what? Why should he? Nader was not ever a real
copy-cat and shouldn’t be. Your complaint on this subject is really, really dumb
and that’s being kind.

Nader didn’t properly honor Teddy Roosevelt, the guy who lied about the
“Charge up San Juan Hill” (that was really Kettle Hill) in an operation with
little or no real military significance and where the most important thing to him
was the presence of the newspaper reporters? That Teddy Roosevelt? One of
America’s most successful political fakers? Little that he did was for any
purpose other than his own agrandizement, and practically nothing was done for
service to America, it was, in the great majority, a side affect of his
constant push for “God-hood” in the public press.

You don’t agree with some of his decisions regarding political actions and
insist you know better than he…yet he’s one of the world’s most respected
names and you’re not. He’s running for President and building a national
organization. ..and you’re not. He’s established a life long legacy of good works
which remain in place after he’s gone…and you’re not.

You’re near-incoherent ramblings defy logic. Take your medication and try
again.

You claim to want truth…try it yourself. And if there are any lies in my
posts, address them specifically.

Robert T.

# Bob Marston Says: July 31st, 2008 at 2:52

Care to show where I said John Kerry or Gray Davis were “war Heros” ?

[It is not all about you Bob! Sacramento Phil says he has spent the majority of his political life in the Independent /Alternative Parties trenches! Yet the two Dems he admires are [like Joe Mation Lieberman, [fakey I] Connecticut, and that Democratic speaker at the P2004 GOP National Convention [South Carolina?] two guys even the Dems hold their nose at and or spit on the side walk! —–Gray Davis and John Kerry!]

I am in complete agreement with Alex Cockburn’s assessment that Kerry is actually a war criminal.
[Tell Phil, tell Phil, tell Phil]

“REPUBLICANS as agents provacateur in the Green movement?]
I never advanced that idea. What I said were that many within the Greens held the view that Republicans would run stealth candidacies posing as Greens pointing out that some Greens were becoming neurotic about it.

[MANY? MANY? ANY? ANY? When did you hear this? Where did you hear this? No one in my circle thinks you are not hearing immaginary voices. The five Californians that I mentioned this to, four laughed out loud. They think you are nuts or making it up. It is truly phunny!]

Don Lake wrote: “POINT Ralph trips over his own ego and [by extention] his own penis on a regular basis. ”
With that statement you leave no doubt where you stand on the man.

[The ONLY Thing I leave no doubt about is that I do not consider him infaliable. [No white smoke, no phunny hat....] EVERY THING ELSE is you need lessly ‘connecting the dots’! I am not responsible for your lack of logic, either math based or pholosophy based!]

Don Lake wrote: “How ever, with all this DOCUMENTED short falls, his is still probably the ethical and intellectual front runner.”
So in one sentence you cast vile aspersions on Nader and the very next you say he is the “intellectual front runner” ?

[Yeah, shows how weak the field is! Duh! Logic again, Runner A has lots of problems [and they are not 'glossed over'], Runnners B, C, and D have even more problems.

Imperfect, faulty, blemished Runner A still leads the [weak] field! Duh! Go take a logics course some time. You do not have to be an engineer or military rocket scientist to be an adult human being!]

Call me after the weekend so I do not have to ‘hold your hand’ on the detailed minor Middle School stuff and bore the grown ups on this blog. 619.420.0209 any time, [as I will not be using it for Nader this year....]

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“A truly astonishing piece of crap. It’s really amazing what some people
think you will believe, isn’t it?

Junior varsity minds? JV minds that, collectively have been credited with
saving more human lives than any other person in history, outside the medical
field?

That, collectively, has made more and better changes in the human
condition than ANY government in history? Nader’s name is recognize
internationally more than Reagan, Bush, Carter, or Clinton.

Natives in the bush of
Australia are aware of Ralph Nader’s contribution to the world more than we
native (and ignorant) Americans are.

When you read this, it’s quite apparent who has the Junior Varsity mind,
isn’t it? And how truly sad that is.”

Robert T.

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Lake’s ReformNewsList reply:

So I [for the sake of group cohesion, or just to politically keep 'in shape' (by lying) ] should not dwell on his lack of salient symbolism? To be a good little ‘leftie’ I should fail to mention his lack of adopting the Wind Mill Peace Sign?

I should not repeat his lack of adopting TR and the Bull Moose and the Theodore Bear $$$$$$ plush toy? I should be quiet about the P2004 slogan, ‘Declare Your Independence’? —–Yeah, we ALL rallied around that gem. [And you are right, it is not JV thinking, it is BARELY freshman scrub quality!]

New York [State] demanded he start his ichronography from scratch! ‘Naders’ Raiders and his face shot? No, no, no, the 2008 equivalent of ‘Declare Your Independence’ namely ‘Progressives’ and the ‘American Bison/ Buffalo’! Yeah boy, phone the MacArthur Gifted Committee now —-why wait?

His NY stuff was so stupid that apparently they did not even consider that Teddy Roosevelt is a local hero [only Prez with the Congressional Medal of Honor, only Prez to win the Nobel in office, only 20th century Prez on Rush more, and all of those parks and preserves. ]

But no, I am the JV mind! Hey, the Progressive label alone will run off thousands of votes —-all by itself! [At least he did not do a stupid 'Eagle' and 'Eagle Head'! That is 'standing out by blending in'! ]‘

Money, money, money —-honey, honey, honey! Dozens will line up for a dopey ‘Declare Your Independence’ tee shirt, mug, poster! Most P2004 citizens for got the STUPID slogan by Labor Day! By the millions!

‘Naders’ Raiders’ tee shirts, mugs, posters? Life long treasures waiting to be bought! By the millions! Duh!

Blowing off San Diego write in vote [and November 2004 top numbers gal] go getter and media darling Council Member Donna Frye? Yeah, that was brilliant —–not!

What ever magazine cover, legislation, or great deeds of the past, I have seen this guy, up close and personal, act like some one with a ‘room temperature IQ’! But his fate, his feelings, the feelings of Naderites every where, including non voting New Zealanders, Guameese, Samoans, Virgin Islanders, DC residents are more important than the first hand, objective FACTS?

I do not think so, especially when it is Uncle Ralph continually, year after year, running the campaign into a ditch!

Our passionate Mister Tice, if you lie about Nader can we trust any thing you say after November 2008. Should we adore you as a comrade and look the other way on the validity of your future state ments?

Oh, how many bush men do you know? How many did you query on Nader? Did you have an interpriter?

The truth, the truth, the truth.

Phil Sawyer agrees:

Right on, Bob! Wow, shades of the 60′s and 70′s!

So, it’s disastrous to meet the requirements for getting into the debates? Among other hurdles, N/G 08 has to have a mathematical chance of winning (enough electoral votes) to be in the freaking debates!

Hello000!! Be gone, troll!

Gray Davis was in the Journalism Corp and ‘worked it’ for his Silver Star! He was doing little more than Republicans Pete No REpete did in Viet Nam and Der Ahnold did in the tank cadet corp in Austria!

He shocked me the first time he said that Kerry was much more than a shadowy Yale Skull and Bones clone of W! As a ‘third party/ independent advocate’ he still sticks with one of the worst Democratic Party presidential hope fulls ever —in a state where the Dems were going to win all of the federal electors by over 1M votes!

Bob, it is not all about you.

Yes, Nader is a poor poor poor leader, and ‘ethical’ and ‘intelectual’ front runner, [and as I clearly said] with the rest of the pack limping behind.

Why are you confused? Like Phil [and former state employee ctweber] I find it difficult to imagine you as a college graduate, especially on a campus with [math or philosophy based] courses on ‘Logic’!

Both of you BOTH of you have arguments as ‘clear as mud’ and do not seem to understand concise detailed explanations. There is only so much that I can do.

Call me at 619.420.0209 for further chat, but if you tell me some thing stupid [REPUBLICANs infiltrating the green movement....] do not count on me to forget it once we hang up.

I hate lying scheming Dems and lying scheming GOP. Too bad Independents and alternative types are just as bad!

Care to show where I said John Kerry or Gray Davis were "war Heros" ?

I am in complete agreement with Alex Cockburn's assessment that Kerry is actually a war criminal.

Don Lake wrote:"REPUBLICANS as agents provacateur in the Green movement?], they agree on so many points, and they are ’spot on’ on other points!”

I never advanced that idea. What I said were that many within the Greens held the view that Republicans would run stealth candidacies posing as Greens pointing out that some Greens were becoming neurotic about it. I also pointed out with the exception of one incident in 2000 no such incidents ever occurred.

Go back and reread what I wrote.

Don Lake wrote: “POINT Ralph trips over his own ego and [by extention] his own penis on a regular basis. ”

With that statement you leave no doubt where you stand on the man.

Don Lake wrote: “How ever, with all this DOCUMENTED short falls, his is still probably the ethical and intellectual front runner.”

So in one sentence you cast vile aspersions on Nader and the very next you say he is the “intellectual frontrunner” ?

This meeting ought to be good !