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		<title>By: Jim Riley</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/08/30/escape-hatch-for-texas-democrats-republicans/comment-page-1/#comment-496208</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 16:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tannim, Re: #12.

Texas parties are required to hold precinct conventions which eventually lead to county and state conventions.  Under Texas law, the parties are required to select their national delegates at the state convention.  Surely, they could not be expected to comply with some sections of Texas law, by violating others.

You&#039;re also misunderstanding the Texas Democrat&#039;s convoluted delegation selection process.  State law requires 3/4 of national delegates (other than party and elected official) to be allocated on the basis of the primaries - the actual details of the allocation are set by party rule.  Texas Democrats allocated other delegates based on the precinct (and succeeding) conventions  They skirted the 3/4 rule by also allocating &quot;elected official&quot; seats on the basis of the precinct conventions, even though that simply meant the selected delegate might be a city councilman.

In any case, since the state conventions were held in June, this had no effect on the ability of the state parties to comply with the premature deadline set by Texas.

The Texas parties could not require the national parties to hold their conventions in time to comply with Texas law.  But under Texas law, they could not place candidates on the general election ballot if they did not hold a primary and select delegates for the national convention.

This gave the parties three &quot;choices&quot;

(1) Not place a candidate on the general election ballot;

(2) Hold a presidential primary and select delegates to the national convention; but submit the name of the nominees to the state of Texas prior to the national convention having selected them.

(3) Hold a presidential primary and select delegates to the national convention, participate in the convention, and submit the names of the nominees after the deadline, but in sufficient time for the Secretary of State to certify the candidates to county election officials.

(1) and (2) are not real options and would not be upheld by a federal court as being constitutional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tannim, Re: #12.</p>
<p>Texas parties are required to hold precinct conventions which eventually lead to county and state conventions.  Under Texas law, the parties are required to select their national delegates at the state convention.  Surely, they could not be expected to comply with some sections of Texas law, by violating others.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re also misunderstanding the Texas Democrat&#8217;s convoluted delegation selection process.  State law requires 3/4 of national delegates (other than party and elected official) to be allocated on the basis of the primaries &#8211; the actual details of the allocation are set by party rule.  Texas Democrats allocated other delegates based on the precinct (and succeeding) conventions  They skirted the 3/4 rule by also allocating &#8220;elected official&#8221; seats on the basis of the precinct conventions, even though that simply meant the selected delegate might be a city councilman.</p>
<p>In any case, since the state conventions were held in June, this had no effect on the ability of the state parties to comply with the premature deadline set by Texas.</p>
<p>The Texas parties could not require the national parties to hold their conventions in time to comply with Texas law.  But under Texas law, they could not place candidates on the general election ballot if they did not hold a primary and select delegates for the national convention.</p>
<p>This gave the parties three &#8220;choices&#8221;</p>
<p>(1) Not place a candidate on the general election ballot;</p>
<p>(2) Hold a presidential primary and select delegates to the national convention; but submit the name of the nominees to the state of Texas prior to the national convention having selected them.</p>
<p>(3) Hold a presidential primary and select delegates to the national convention, participate in the convention, and submit the names of the nominees after the deadline, but in sufficient time for the Secretary of State to certify the candidates to county election officials.</p>
<p>(1) and (2) are not real options and would not be upheld by a federal court as being constitutional.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/08/30/escape-hatch-for-texas-democrats-republicans/comment-page-1/#comment-494884</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a link to a recrding of the arguments for Davis v. Taylor

http://www.supreme.courts.state.tx.us/oralarguments/1996/96-0872.edited.mp3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a link to a recrding of the arguments for Davis v. Taylor</p>
<p><a href="http://www.supreme.courts.state.tx.us/oralarguments/1996/96-0872.edited.mp3" rel="nofollow">http://www.supreme.courts.state.tx.us/oralarguments/1996/96-0872.edited.mp3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tannim</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/08/30/escape-hatch-for-texas-democrats-republicans/comment-page-1/#comment-494881</link>
		<dc:creator>Tannim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Jim R, but you&#039;re wrong.  Both sections can be satisfied by eliminating the TX caucuses and allocating national delegates by primary only, and moving the national convention to earlier.  The major parties know this but screw around with it anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Jim R, but you&#8217;re wrong.  Both sections can be satisfied by eliminating the TX caucuses and allocating national delegates by primary only, and moving the national convention to earlier.  The major parties know this but screw around with it anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/08/30/escape-hatch-for-texas-democrats-republicans/comment-page-1/#comment-494874</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like I am also short Davis V Taylor  case: 96-0872 Filed: 9/25/1996</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like I am also short Davis V Taylor  case: 96-0872 Filed: 9/25/1996</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/08/30/escape-hatch-for-texas-democrats-republicans/comment-page-1/#comment-494870</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If any one lives in or near Austin Texas a copy of the Texas Supreme Court Rulling on Bird v. Rothstein case number 96-0910 should be found at:

Texas State Law Library &#124; 205 West 14th Street &#124; Austin, Texas 78701-1614 &#124; (512) 463-1722 &#124; Fax (512) 463-1728 &#124;

The publication date of the descision was October 2nd, 1996 and Texas doesn&#039;t have electronic records of court decsions available on line before (I think) September of 1997.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If any one lives in or near Austin Texas a copy of the Texas Supreme Court Rulling on Bird v. Rothstein case number 96-0910 should be found at:</p>
<p>Texas State Law Library | 205 West 14th Street | Austin, Texas 78701-1614 | (512) 463-1722 | Fax (512) 463-1728 |</p>
<p>The publication date of the descision was October 2nd, 1996 and Texas doesn&#8217;t have electronic records of court decsions available on line before (I think) September of 1997.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/08/30/escape-hatch-for-texas-democrats-republicans/comment-page-1/#comment-494860</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 19:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have found Bird v. Rothstein referenced in 04-0608 Texas Supreme Court. http://www.supreme.courts.state.tx.us/ebriefs/04/04060802.pdf

IN RE FROST NATIONAL BANK, FORMER EXECUTOR OF THE ESTATE OF ELENA SUESS KENEDY, DECEASED; FROST NATIONAL BANK AND PABLO SUESS, TRUSTEES OF THE JOHN G. KENEDY, JR. CHARITABLE TRUST; AND
THE MISSIONARY OBLATE FATHERS OF TEXAS
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REPLY TO RESPONSE TO PETITION FOR WRIT OF MANDAMUS

In Rivercenter Assoc. v. Rivera, 858 S.W.2d 366, 367 (Tex. 1993) (orig. proceeding), this Court held that an unexplained delay by those who â€œslumber on their rightsâ€ may justify denial of a mandamus petition. Here, the Relators have explained the delay. Further, laches applies only if the Real Party has demonstrated harm, which Fernandez has failed to establish.

Regardless, laches will not bar the right to relief when important interests are at stake. Bird v. Rothstein, 930 S.W.2d 586, 588 (Tex. 1996) (orig. proceeding).

(explaining that â€œ[t]wo essential elements of laches are (1) unreasonable delay by one having legal or equitable rights in asserting them; and (2) a good faith change of position by another to his detriment because of the delayâ€).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have found Bird v. Rothstein referenced in 04-0608 Texas Supreme Court. <a href="http://www.supreme.courts.state.tx.us/ebriefs/04/04060802.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.supreme.courts.state.tx.us/ebriefs/04/04060802.pdf</a></p>
<p>IN RE FROST NATIONAL BANK, FORMER EXECUTOR OF THE ESTATE OF ELENA SUESS KENEDY, DECEASED; FROST NATIONAL BANK AND PABLO SUESS, TRUSTEES OF THE JOHN G. KENEDY, JR. CHARITABLE TRUST; AND<br />
THE MISSIONARY OBLATE FATHERS OF TEXAS<br />
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REPLY TO RESPONSE TO PETITION FOR WRIT OF MANDAMUS</p>
<p>In Rivercenter Assoc. v. Rivera, 858 S.W.2d 366, 367 (Tex. 1993) (orig. proceeding), this Court held that an unexplained delay by those who â€œslumber on their rightsâ€ may justify denial of a mandamus petition. Here, the Relators have explained the delay. Further, laches applies only if the Real Party has demonstrated harm, which Fernandez has failed to establish.</p>
<p>Regardless, laches will not bar the right to relief when important interests are at stake. Bird v. Rothstein, 930 S.W.2d 586, 588 (Tex. 1996) (orig. proceeding).</p>
<p>(explaining that â€œ[t]wo essential elements of laches are (1) unreasonable delay by one having legal or equitable rights in asserting them; and (2) a good faith change of position by another to his detriment because of the delayâ€).</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone been able to find the opinion, court, case number for Bird v Rothstein? The best I can do is in the texas supreme court is a case 96-0910 that a final descision was made on Oct 2nd, 1996. That the case was a writ of mandamus and was denied? I have yet to figure out whuch court of apeals it had to pass through and which court it originated in? It looks like cases before Oct 1997 are not electronic.

I have found Davis v Taylor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone been able to find the opinion, court, case number for Bird v Rothstein? The best I can do is in the texas supreme court is a case 96-0910 that a final descision was made on Oct 2nd, 1996. That the case was a writ of mandamus and was denied? I have yet to figure out whuch court of apeals it had to pass through and which court it originated in? It looks like cases before Oct 1997 are not electronic.</p>
<p>I have found Davis v Taylor.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 04:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re #3: It is impossible to comply with &lt;i&gt;both&lt;/i&gt; 191.001 and 192.031, except in a perfunctory and superficial manner.

The national parties called a national convention.  If the state parties wished to place presidential candidates on the November ballot, they were required to hold a presidential primary; use the results of the primary to allocate most of the delegates to the national convention; and select the actual delegates at a state convention.

The state of Texas&#039;s rationale for these requirements is obvious.  They want Texas voters to be involved in the nominating process of the national party conventions.  It defeats that purpose if the delegates are selected, but the nominees must be determined prior to the convention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #3: It is impossible to comply with <i>both</i> 191.001 and 192.031, except in a perfunctory and superficial manner.</p>
<p>The national parties called a national convention.  If the state parties wished to place presidential candidates on the November ballot, they were required to hold a presidential primary; use the results of the primary to allocate most of the delegates to the national convention; and select the actual delegates at a state convention.</p>
<p>The state of Texas&#8217;s rationale for these requirements is obvious.  They want Texas voters to be involved in the nominating process of the national party conventions.  It defeats that purpose if the delegates are selected, but the nominees must be determined prior to the convention.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald R Lake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald R Lake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every one is &#039;out of step&#039; but Texas, and may be OKlahoma.............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every one is &#8216;out of step&#8217; but Texas, and may be OKlahoma&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Morrison</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/08/30/escape-hatch-for-texas-democrats-republicans/comment-page-1/#comment-493114</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The law is always applied equally: Neither the rich man nor the poor man is allowed to sleep under the bridges nor beg in the streets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The law is always applied equally: Neither the rich man nor the poor man is allowed to sleep under the bridges nor beg in the streets.</p>
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