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	<title>Comments on: Barr Sues Texas for Excusing Late Filing by Republican and Democratic Presidential Candidates</title>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 23:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael: The Olympics were scheduled for their dates this year even before the Democratic and Republican conventions were scheduled. For that matter, the dates of the 2012 Olympics are already known (July 27 to August 12).

There are various reasons that a party might want to schedule its convention either earlier or later in the year. But I would hope that one of the constraints they would take into account was the deadlines imposed by the various states for certifying their candidates. If they are legally required to certify their candidates by a certain date, they ought to schedule their convention to end before that date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael: The Olympics were scheduled for their dates this year even before the Democratic and Republican conventions were scheduled. For that matter, the dates of the 2012 Olympics are already known (July 27 to August 12).</p>
<p>There are various reasons that a party might want to schedule its convention either earlier or later in the year. But I would hope that one of the constraints they would take into account was the deadlines imposed by the various states for certifying their candidates. If they are legally required to certify their candidates by a certain date, they ought to schedule their convention to end before that date.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian in Maine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian in Maine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 03:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all the sucessful efforts that the Democrats and Republicans have gone through in various states to keep other folks off the ballots, I believe they should have to follow the same rules they are trying to use on others.  I am very surprised that this has not been pickedup by any major news outlets.

Still waiting to hear about it on the evening news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all the sucessful efforts that the Democrats and Republicans have gone through in various states to keep other folks off the ballots, I believe they should have to follow the same rules they are trying to use on others.  I am very surprised that this has not been pickedup by any major news outlets.</p>
<p>Still waiting to hear about it on the evening news.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 21:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*rolls eyes* I can&#039;t decide whether to take this seriously or not. I imagine this would be good as collateral to get Barr on the West Virginia ticket though.

I think almost every regular citizen would find this lawsuit too technical, as the Olympics pushed back the conventions. Maybe the election should have been pushed back to account for this 70 day rule. And do any of the other states have this rule, or just Texas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*rolls eyes* I can&#8217;t decide whether to take this seriously or not. I imagine this would be good as collateral to get Barr on the West Virginia ticket though.</p>
<p>I think almost every regular citizen would find this lawsuit too technical, as the Olympics pushed back the conventions. Maybe the election should have been pushed back to account for this 70 day rule. And do any of the other states have this rule, or just Texas?</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the chance that the court is actually going to remove McCain and Obama from the ballot is like zero, whether or not they can actually legally justify not removing them. The practical justification is that the court isn&#039;t going to want to deprive millions of voters of their preferred presidential candidate being on the ballot. 

But if the Republican Party was allowed to certify its candidates nine days late, Barr should request that, as an alternative remedy, the Secretary of State be ordered to accept filings from any candidate or party for any office that were up to nine days late this year. After all, if deadlines can be slipped nine days for a major candidate, there&#039;s no reason they can&#039;t be slipped nine days for a minor candidate too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the chance that the court is actually going to remove McCain and Obama from the ballot is like zero, whether or not they can actually legally justify not removing them. The practical justification is that the court isn&#8217;t going to want to deprive millions of voters of their preferred presidential candidate being on the ballot. </p>
<p>But if the Republican Party was allowed to certify its candidates nine days late, Barr should request that, as an alternative remedy, the Secretary of State be ordered to accept filings from any candidate or party for any office that were up to nine days late this year. After all, if deadlines can be slipped nine days for a major candidate, there&#8217;s no reason they can&#8217;t be slipped nine days for a minor candidate too.</p>
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		<title>By: AJ Grover</title>
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		<dc:creator>AJ Grover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 20:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks, I need to correct a dumb mistake I made earlier.  Be nice and blame tiredness instead of brainlessness, ok?  

The Barr campaign NOT the Libertarian Party is providing funds for prosecution of the case. I know the folks in the Barr campaign will generously forgive my mistake.

More good news in the case.  The Solicitor General of Texas attempted to stop the case dead with a letter to the court essentially asking them to ignore the case for any number of baseless reasons.  In spite of the letter, the Supreme Court yesterday ordered the Texas Secretary of State and the Texas Republican and Democratic Parties to file responses to the petition by 3PM on September 22nd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, I need to correct a dumb mistake I made earlier.  Be nice and blame tiredness instead of brainlessness, ok?  </p>
<p>The Barr campaign NOT the Libertarian Party is providing funds for prosecution of the case. I know the folks in the Barr campaign will generously forgive my mistake.</p>
<p>More good news in the case.  The Solicitor General of Texas attempted to stop the case dead with a letter to the court essentially asking them to ignore the case for any number of baseless reasons.  In spite of the letter, the Supreme Court yesterday ordered the Texas Secretary of State and the Texas Republican and Democratic Parties to file responses to the petition by 3PM on September 22nd.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great news! I&#039;ll be keeping my eye out for this case. If the (R) and (D) candidates get on the Texas ballot, then they open up the ballot to ALL parties who have made an effort to file (and have had their efforts turned down due to deadlines).

I&#039;m rooting for the court to decide for the plaintiffs (Barr and Root), that will really highlight the pure hypocrisy of the two major parties when it comes to fairness and adhering to the process. 34 electoral votes potentially to the Libertarian Party!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great news! I&#8217;ll be keeping my eye out for this case. If the (R) and (D) candidates get on the Texas ballot, then they open up the ballot to ALL parties who have made an effort to file (and have had their efforts turned down due to deadlines).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m rooting for the court to decide for the plaintiffs (Barr and Root), that will really highlight the pure hypocrisy of the two major parties when it comes to fairness and adhering to the process. 34 electoral votes potentially to the Libertarian Party!</p>
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		<title>By: Richip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 05:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was living in NJ when the State Supreme Court unbelievably acted like Gods and created an exception to allow the Democrats to replace Torricelli when the scandals against him were getting red hot and it looked like he was going to lose. Here&#039;s is a quick quote from one story I just looked up on it:

--------------- from http://www.newsday.com/topic/ny-news_1001,0,5989985,full.story --------

New Jersey&#039;s election laws also pose problems. The deadline for candidates to file for the race has passed. New Jersey state law permits a political party to select a replacement candidate when a vacancy occurs on the ballot 51 days before an election. With that window closed, Torricelli filed an appeal with the New Jersey Supreme Court to allow for an alternative candidate to be placed on the ballot. In 1969, the New Jersey Supreme Court granted such an exception after a candidate died.

Republican Party officials plan to wage a vigorous legal challenge to the replacement effort, said Ginny Wolfe of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, the party&#039;s campaign organization. &quot;For them to try to put a new person in the race just because they are losing is clearly against the law,&quot; Wolfe said. &quot;We will challenge that.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was living in NJ when the State Supreme Court unbelievably acted like Gods and created an exception to allow the Democrats to replace Torricelli when the scandals against him were getting red hot and it looked like he was going to lose. Here&#8217;s is a quick quote from one story I just looked up on it:</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212; from <a href="http://www.newsday.com/topic/ny-news_1001,0,5989985,full.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsday.com/topic/ny-news_1001,0,5989985,full.story</a> &#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>New Jersey&#8217;s election laws also pose problems. The deadline for candidates to file for the race has passed. New Jersey state law permits a political party to select a replacement candidate when a vacancy occurs on the ballot 51 days before an election. With that window closed, Torricelli filed an appeal with the New Jersey Supreme Court to allow for an alternative candidate to be placed on the ballot. In 1969, the New Jersey Supreme Court granted such an exception after a candidate died.</p>
<p>Republican Party officials plan to wage a vigorous legal challenge to the replacement effort, said Ginny Wolfe of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, the party&#8217;s campaign organization. &#8220;For them to try to put a new person in the race just because they are losing is clearly against the law,&#8221; Wolfe said. &#8220;We will challenge that.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the question is will the courts in texas ignore a ruleing just two years old where they warned candidates and parties not to miss legislated deadlines. I can think of two reasons they may make an exception.

1) That the Secretary of State missinformed the parties and the candidates about the law.

2) That waiting 3 weeks to file wasn&#039;t timely.

Other then those two reasons I think the Texas courst will have to rule for Barr. Then the two parties have a couple of options. Change the law or go to federal court.

At any rate I think this will be amussing.

Since reportedly several Republicans had called Barr up and asked him not to run I have to wonder if they haven&#039;t called him up and tried to talk him out of this?

Now lets suppose this thing blows up and becomes a media issue. Imagine the book deals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the question is will the courts in texas ignore a ruleing just two years old where they warned candidates and parties not to miss legislated deadlines. I can think of two reasons they may make an exception.</p>
<p>1) That the Secretary of State missinformed the parties and the candidates about the law.</p>
<p>2) That waiting 3 weeks to file wasn&#8217;t timely.</p>
<p>Other then those two reasons I think the Texas courst will have to rule for Barr. Then the two parties have a couple of options. Change the law or go to federal court.</p>
<p>At any rate I think this will be amussing.</p>
<p>Since reportedly several Republicans had called Barr up and asked him not to run I have to wonder if they haven&#8217;t called him up and tried to talk him out of this?</p>
<p>Now lets suppose this thing blows up and becomes a media issue. Imagine the book deals.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 02:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no doubt that the courts will go through some mental gymnastics to find a way to rule against Barr--but at least that will establish a very useful precedent the next time a state rules against a minor party on some deadline issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no doubt that the courts will go through some mental gymnastics to find a way to rule against Barr&#8211;but at least that will establish a very useful precedent the next time a state rules against a minor party on some deadline issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Arctic_Slicer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arctic_Slicer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 01:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you think Barr will cite &quot;Nader v Connor&quot; as a precedent?  In 2004 Ralph Nader didn&#039;t turn in any petition signatures by the May 10th deadline in Texas to be on the ballot, he did however file about 80,000 two weeks later on May 24th however they denied him access because he did not turn in the proper number of signatures by the deadline.  Certainly there are some differences for in Nader&#039;s case but meeting deadlines were an important part in that ruling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you think Barr will cite &#8220;Nader v Connor&#8221; as a precedent?  In 2004 Ralph Nader didn&#8217;t turn in any petition signatures by the May 10th deadline in Texas to be on the ballot, he did however file about 80,000 two weeks later on May 24th however they denied him access because he did not turn in the proper number of signatures by the deadline.  Certainly there are some differences for in Nader&#8217;s case but meeting deadlines were an important part in that ruling.</p>
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