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	<title>Comments on: Judge Rules that McCain is Natural-Born</title>
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		<title>By: El Buggo</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/09/16/judge-rules-that-mccain-is-natural-born/comment-page-1/#comment-542274</link>
		<dc:creator>El Buggo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 22:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like McCain was born in the Canal Zone according to this old map: http: // social.chass.ncsu.edu/slatta/hi216/panmap.htm

That is if he was born at Colon Hospital, Avenida Melendez and 2nd Street, Manzanillo Island, City of Colon.  

Does not look like this is on an island though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like McCain was born in the Canal Zone according to this old map: http: // social.chass.ncsu.edu/slatta/hi216/panmap.htm</p>
<p>That is if he was born at Colon Hospital, Avenida Melendez and 2nd Street, Manzanillo Island, City of Colon.  </p>
<p>Does not look like this is on an island though.</p>
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		<title>By: JRQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JRQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 23:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Seidenber- Please post the birth certificate so we can see. I have someone else who says they have the BC but the time is different. 

you can do this by uploading it to a free account a www.photobucket.com and inserting a link here.

Thank you,
JRQ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Seidenber- Please post the birth certificate so we can see. I have someone else who says they have the BC but the time is different. </p>
<p>you can do this by uploading it to a free account a <a href="http://www.photobucket.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.photobucket.com</a> and inserting a link here.</p>
<p>Thank you,<br />
JRQ</p>
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		<title>By: Uri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 01:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>update: the michigan law review has posted an online symposium on mccain and natural born citizens, including contributions from some leading legal scholars. opinions are split on whether mccain is or is not a natural-born citizen. i draw your attention to prof. tokaji&#039;s article, which suggests what i&#039;ve been suggesting: that though challenges in federal court have failed, these matters are justiciable in state courts.

http://www.michiganlawreview.org/index-fi.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>update: the michigan law review has posted an online symposium on mccain and natural born citizens, including contributions from some leading legal scholars. opinions are split on whether mccain is or is not a natural-born citizen. i draw your attention to prof. tokaji&#8217;s article, which suggests what i&#8217;ve been suggesting: that though challenges in federal court have failed, these matters are justiciable in state courts.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.michiganlawreview.org/index-fi.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.michiganlawreview.org/index-fi.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark Seidenberg</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/09/16/judge-rules-that-mccain-is-natural-born/comment-page-1/#comment-520475</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Seidenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 20:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, Please igore &quot;arrival with&quot; and &quot;app&quot; on the
above post that was an error.

Second,In the above I stated that the Act of August
4, 1937 was repealed in early 1941.  I could not 
remember that date when I wrote it.  I know the date now, viz., The Act of August 4, 1937 was repealed January 13, 1941.

I have found out that there is no known record of
Senator John Sidney McCain III ever visiting as an
adult the &quot;Ministreio de Gobierno Y Justicia&quot; of Panama, which is the agency governing citizenship
in Panama.

Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American
Independent Party

P.S. Under Panama law the way to lose citizen status is to make a personal appearance to the Ministreio de Gobierno y Justicia to give up citizenship.  It can not be done by mail.  There
is no other way to volentary loss citizenship
in Panama.  Therefore, John Sidney McCain III is a
&quot;natural born citizen&quot; of Republic of Panama only.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, Please igore &#8220;arrival with&#8221; and &#8220;app&#8221; on the<br />
above post that was an error.</p>
<p>Second,In the above I stated that the Act of August<br />
4, 1937 was repealed in early 1941.  I could not<br />
remember that date when I wrote it.  I know the date now, viz., The Act of August 4, 1937 was repealed January 13, 1941.</p>
<p>I have found out that there is no known record of<br />
Senator John Sidney McCain III ever visiting as an<br />
adult the &#8220;Ministreio de Gobierno Y Justicia&#8221; of Panama, which is the agency governing citizenship<br />
in Panama.</p>
<p>Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American<br />
Independent Party</p>
<p>P.S. Under Panama law the way to lose citizen status is to make a personal appearance to the Ministreio de Gobierno y Justicia to give up citizenship.  It can not be done by mail.  There<br />
is no other way to volentary loss citizenship<br />
in Panama.  Therefore, John Sidney McCain III is a<br />
&#8220;natural born citizen&#8221; of Republic of Panama only.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Seidenberg</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/09/16/judge-rules-that-mccain-is-natural-born/comment-page-1/#comment-520276</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Seidenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO:  Michael Morrison

In your posting you stated that John S. McCain was
born on a military base.  John McCain was not born on a military base nor even in the Canal Zone. John Sidney McCain III was born at the Colon Hospital,located at Avenida Melendez and 2nd Street, Manzanillo Island, City of Colon, Republic of Panama.  The time of birth on the birth certificate issued by Panama Railroad Company (which owned the Colon Hospital) was 5:25 PM and the day and date of birth was Saturday, August 29, 1936.

At the time of John Sidney McCain III&#039;s birth he
was born an alien.  That was because at the time of his birth, viz., August 29, 1936, the terms of Revised Statute # 1933 did not apply to that location in the Republic of Panama, because the island of Manzanillo was under the jurisdiction of the United States, but external to the territory of the Canal Zone.  

By the collective naturalization act of August 4,
1937, viz., United States Code title 8, sections
5d and 5e governed the naturalizations of certain
classes of persons born in either the Canal Zone or
the Republic of Panama.  Section 5d covered the Canal Zone and 5e covered the Republic of Panama.
The Act of August 4, 1937 was S2416 and Public Law
242.  It was repealed by Congress in early 1941.
Therefore, if John McCain III&#039;s parents had him included under the terms United States Code title 8, section 5e they would have to completed the process before the Act was repealed in January of
1941.  That is why a look at John McCain first passport application is very important.  It would
show if he is a citizen or not.  Under the terms
of section 5e, John McCain III&#039;s parents would have
to provided many documents to the INS during a window between about the ages of one and the age of
four years of age. This would only make him a naturalized citizen and not a natural-born citizen.

It is my current understanding John McCain was not
&quot;entered&quot; in the United States in late 1936 on Roberta McCain return to the United States with her
two children, viz., John Sidney III and Jean Alexandra (who is now about 74 years of age and  lives in or near Houston, TX now with her husband an heir to JP Morgan estate.) Roberta McCain lives
in Washington, DC.  

It should be noted here that Revised Stat. 1993 did
not apply to either the Canal Zone or the Republic
of Panama after February 25, 1904.  And that was based on the Act of February 10, 1855, chap. 71,
sec. 1.  Remember John Sidney McCain III was born
on August 29, 1936 in the Republic of Panama.  I
have found no documentation yet that show John McCain is not a citizen of Panama, because he was
born in the Republic of Panama.

Under section 5e, John McCain III can not base his
rights to naturaization based on his mother Roberta
being a United States Citizen at birth, because she
was not employed at the time of by either the United States Government or the Panama Railroad Company or it successors.  

That is why a trip to Mexico is so important to see
if the January 21, 1933 marriage between Jack and 
Roberta McCain was valid.  I was informed several
mouths ago by the biographer of Admiral John &quot;Slew&quot;
McCain, that the witnessing of the January 21, 1933
marriage certificate may have made it void.  The
marriage on January 21, 1933 took place if valid at
Ceasar&#039;s Bar in TJ, Baja California, Mexico.

Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American
Independent Party.


arrival with 
app</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO:  Michael Morrison</p>
<p>In your posting you stated that John S. McCain was<br />
born on a military base.  John McCain was not born on a military base nor even in the Canal Zone. John Sidney McCain III was born at the Colon Hospital,located at Avenida Melendez and 2nd Street, Manzanillo Island, City of Colon, Republic of Panama.  The time of birth on the birth certificate issued by Panama Railroad Company (which owned the Colon Hospital) was 5:25 PM and the day and date of birth was Saturday, August 29, 1936.</p>
<p>At the time of John Sidney McCain III&#8217;s birth he<br />
was born an alien.  That was because at the time of his birth, viz., August 29, 1936, the terms of Revised Statute # 1933 did not apply to that location in the Republic of Panama, because the island of Manzanillo was under the jurisdiction of the United States, but external to the territory of the Canal Zone.  </p>
<p>By the collective naturalization act of August 4,<br />
1937, viz., United States Code title 8, sections<br />
5d and 5e governed the naturalizations of certain<br />
classes of persons born in either the Canal Zone or<br />
the Republic of Panama.  Section 5d covered the Canal Zone and 5e covered the Republic of Panama.<br />
The Act of August 4, 1937 was S2416 and Public Law<br />
242.  It was repealed by Congress in early 1941.<br />
Therefore, if John McCain III&#8217;s parents had him included under the terms United States Code title 8, section 5e they would have to completed the process before the Act was repealed in January of<br />
1941.  That is why a look at John McCain first passport application is very important.  It would<br />
show if he is a citizen or not.  Under the terms<br />
of section 5e, John McCain III&#8217;s parents would have<br />
to provided many documents to the INS during a window between about the ages of one and the age of<br />
four years of age. This would only make him a naturalized citizen and not a natural-born citizen.</p>
<p>It is my current understanding John McCain was not<br />
&#8220;entered&#8221; in the United States in late 1936 on Roberta McCain return to the United States with her<br />
two children, viz., John Sidney III and Jean Alexandra (who is now about 74 years of age and  lives in or near Houston, TX now with her husband an heir to JP Morgan estate.) Roberta McCain lives<br />
in Washington, DC.  </p>
<p>It should be noted here that Revised Stat. 1993 did<br />
not apply to either the Canal Zone or the Republic<br />
of Panama after February 25, 1904.  And that was based on the Act of February 10, 1855, chap. 71,<br />
sec. 1.  Remember John Sidney McCain III was born<br />
on August 29, 1936 in the Republic of Panama.  I<br />
have found no documentation yet that show John McCain is not a citizen of Panama, because he was<br />
born in the Republic of Panama.</p>
<p>Under section 5e, John McCain III can not base his<br />
rights to naturaization based on his mother Roberta<br />
being a United States Citizen at birth, because she<br />
was not employed at the time of by either the United States Government or the Panama Railroad Company or it successors.  </p>
<p>That is why a trip to Mexico is so important to see<br />
if the January 21, 1933 marriage between Jack and<br />
Roberta McCain was valid.  I was informed several<br />
mouths ago by the biographer of Admiral John &#8220;Slew&#8221;<br />
McCain, that the witnessing of the January 21, 1933<br />
marriage certificate may have made it void.  The<br />
marriage on January 21, 1933 took place if valid at<br />
Ceasar&#8217;s Bar in TJ, Baja California, Mexico.</p>
<p>Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American<br />
Independent Party.</p>
<p>arrival with<br />
app</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Seebeck</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/09/16/judge-rules-that-mccain-is-natural-born/comment-page-1/#comment-518844</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Seebeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 04:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, this was researched 7 months ago and the facts are cited, and properly explained.  Go read the link and you will see not only HOW the ruling is wrong, but WHY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, this was researched 7 months ago and the facts are cited, and properly explained.  Go read the link and you will see not only HOW the ruling is wrong, but WHY.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Seebeck</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/09/16/judge-rules-that-mccain-is-natural-born/comment-page-1/#comment-518843</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Seebeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 04:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Morrison, you are completely and unequivocally wrong.

Whether he was born of navy officers or police officers is irrelevant.

Go read the Muddythoughts blog on the subject (link above), with the CITED FACTS.

Amazing how many people simply don&#039;t understand facts anymore...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morrison, you are completely and unequivocally wrong.</p>
<p>Whether he was born of navy officers or police officers is irrelevant.</p>
<p>Go read the Muddythoughts blog on the subject (link above), with the CITED FACTS.</p>
<p>Amazing how many people simply don&#8217;t understand facts anymore&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Morrison</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/09/16/judge-rules-that-mccain-is-natural-born/comment-page-1/#comment-518691</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little addition: The military base is U.S. territory in the case of children born to U.S. citizens.
Non-citizens giving birth there do not have citizenship conferred on the child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little addition: The military base is U.S. territory in the case of children born to U.S. citizens.<br />
Non-citizens giving birth there do not have citizenship conferred on the child.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Morrison</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/09/16/judge-rules-that-mccain-is-natural-born/comment-page-1/#comment-518686</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as we don&#039;t want him to be president, we must be honest and accurate. John McCain III is legally qualified, if not morally or philosophically, by the Constitution to be president.
He was the son and grandson of Navy officers.
If, at the time of his birth, his parents were stationed outside the actual national boundaries, he is still a U.S. citizen.
EVEN IF his parents were stationed outside the actual national boundaries, he IS STILL A U.S. CITIZEN.
The Naval base is, just like an embassy, considered United States territory, at least for such purposes as deciding citizenship.
Get over it. Fight him on the moral and philosophical issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as we don&#8217;t want him to be president, we must be honest and accurate. John McCain III is legally qualified, if not morally or philosophically, by the Constitution to be president.<br />
He was the son and grandson of Navy officers.<br />
If, at the time of his birth, his parents were stationed outside the actual national boundaries, he is still a U.S. citizen.<br />
EVEN IF his parents were stationed outside the actual national boundaries, he IS STILL A U.S. CITIZEN.<br />
The Naval base is, just like an embassy, considered United States territory, at least for such purposes as deciding citizenship.<br />
Get over it. Fight him on the moral and philosophical issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/09/16/judge-rules-that-mccain-is-natural-born/comment-page-1/#comment-518512</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 21:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It took a court ruling to prove this?  What a waste of time and money for the court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took a court ruling to prove this?  What a waste of time and money for the court.</p>
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