Nader-Barr-Baldwin Debate Set for October 30 in Cleveland
October 29th, 2008On October 30, Ralph Nader, Bob Barr, and Chuck Baldwin will debate each other at the Cleveland (Ohio) City Club, between 4:30 pm and 5:30 pm. The City Club is at 850 Euclid Ave, on the 2nd floor. All three participants have confirmed they will be there. Cynthia McKinney, Barack Obama, and John McCain are also invited.
October 29th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Will there be any TV or Radio coverage of the event ?
October 29th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
I don’t know. But the City Club has been the venue of many significant speeches and debates in the past; it is somewhat famous for that. So they certainly must be set up for media.
October 29th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Good for Barr! I hope C-Span covers this.
October 29th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
I can’t believe the green party won’t show up for this? What are they thinking? I also would bet somebody could get this on youtube .
October 29th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/10/live-streaming-and-moderator-set-for-debate-between-bob-barr-chuck-baldwin-and-ralph-nader/
October 29th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
Cynthia will not attend this Presidential debate. It was clear to me since April 2008 that she would never participate in a debate. The video showing her recent support for Obama came as no surprise.
More to come tomorrow.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:10 am
But she did agree to the debate that Lyman was going to have; it was the other candidates who pulled out, leaving her by herself. Can you provide more detail on how that squares with her rejecting all debates months ago?
Additionally, she told me in June, in front of lots of people and cameras, that she would be happy to debate any candidate on enough state ballots to win, and perhaps even those who aren’t.
October 30th, 2008 at 4:29 am
I think it will be broadcast on C-SPAN later tonight, but it is difficult to find a complete schedule on their website. (By the way, the McKinney campaign has been badly mismanaged).
October 30th, 2008 at 8:46 am
Funny how in Barr’s web site it says: Barr to debate Nader with no mention of Baldwin.. How disgusting is that? That tell you a lot of this man.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:07 am
I’m really disapointed the campaigns didn’t work more in unison this year for exposure. Ron Paul is to be commended for his efforts to form an alliance between them, but they definialty dropped the ball.
October 30th, 2008 at 9:57 am
McKinney’s campaign has been in contact on this debate as it was being organized and willing to participate on another date but today’s date did not work for her. She will participate in a debate, just not one that is organized by Tobin. Same for the Barr campaign I understand.
Tobin has nothing to do with organizing today’s debate.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:26 am
If these debates were to be arranged fairly, the organizing work would either be done by someone entirely independent of the campaigns or by the alternative party and independent campaigns together.
Imagine that McCain’s staff planned a presidential debate to take place two or three days later, set the ground rules and format, hired the moderator, sent out press releases announcing that both McCain and Obama would participate… and then sent an invitation to Obama. No one would be surprised when Obama declined to participate.
That’s essentially what Nader staffer Christine Tobin did to Cynthia McKinney. If a McKinney staffer had done the same to Ralph Nader, he’d be equally justified in declining.
Christina Tobin says above that “It was clear to me since April 2008 that [McKinney] would never participate in a debate. The video showing her recent support for Obama came as no surprise.”
This is pure slander. McKinney accepted an invitation to participate in the BreakTheMatrix.com debate online on Oct. 19, and unlike the other candidates she followed through on her promise.
McKinney does not support Barack Obama. She’s campaigning to build the Green Party. Every vote for Cynthia McKinney is an investment in a permanent progressive noncorporate political party with a hope of achieving major party status in the years to come. No other candidate in this election can make the same claim.
Scott McLarty, Media Coordinator, Green Party of the United States
October 30th, 2008 at 10:44 am
Who is the moderator? Hopefully, he will learn from Chris Hedges how NOT to moderate a debate (e.g., reading lengthy soliloquies and bloviating at the expense of the candidates’ speaking time). He obviously thought himself more important than the “peons” on stage.
October 30th, 2008 at 10:50 am
Having just watched this C-SPAN video, I came away with one thought:
Cynthia McKinney refused to criticize Obama. At all. She wouldn’t even mention his name or repudiate callers who told her that she should support him or wrongly stated that she and he are on the same page politically.
Seems like she just refused to swing when someone tossed her a softball and just changed the subject.
The best she does is talk generally about the Democratic party not representing her, but she lets statements about how Obama being progressive or similar to her go totally unanswered.
She has a real opportunity to expose Obama and his pitiful record and doesn’t take it. She could have mentioned his vote for the PATRIOT Act, FISA, his support of the death penalty, his support of Blackwater and willingness to continue the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan and explore the possibility of preemptive strikes on Pakistan and Iran.
That’s pretty inexcusable. Why won’t she go after Obama’s record?
October 30th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Scott, is 100% correct regarding the first debate organized by Tobin/Nader.
The lack of professionalism by this young woman seeps through when she slanders candidates who don’t bow down at her request. It’s all part of the Nader team’s scheme to look like third-party movement leaders on stage but working to destroy it behind the scenes.
Christina Tobin cannot be trusted to organize a bake sale. The same goes for most of Nader’s team.
They are attempting to create discontent with McKinney, Barr and Baldwin while wearing a halo. I hear McCain’s team is learning from their tactics.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Both sides can make their case at
http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/10/rumor-mill-is-cynthia-mckinney-endorsing-obama/
A note on the title: Greens have denied any such endorsement.
October 30th, 2008 at 11:46 am
That’s odd. Why would we bother making a case on a site that simply republished an unsubstantiated rumor posted as a comment on another Web site? Not much credibility there. Is that site also run by Nader through another person just like Tobin’s group?
October 30th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Do what you want. It’s not even close to being run by Nader or Nader supporters, and it’s the #1 in traffic site on independent/alternative parties.
October 30th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Does anyone have the webstream working right now ? 4:23 PM EDT
October 30th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
This is not any different from the October 19th debate that was supposed to happen at Columbia University. We ended with two debates, one virtual at breakthematrix and another one at Columbia University which was cancelled. Only Cynthia McKinney attended the other debate because that is the one that her schedule allowed her to attend. This time around, the initial debate was supposed to happen at the University of Cincinnati Zimmer at 8:30pm between Bob Barr and Pastor Baldwin. Cynthia McKinney couldn’t attend because she was scheduled to be in Houston to stand against Death Penalty and support the family of the citizen who will be executed today. I don’t think that Texas would reschedule the execution to facilitate the debate. The debate at UC-Zimmer has been canceled and now both Barr and Baldwin are in Cleveland Ohio for Nader’s debate. Until today, most people thought that the debate was going to be held at UC-Zimmer at 8:30 pm. Meanwhile the viper tongue is behaving like Satan’s only daughter spreading lies on the internet.
October 30th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Skeffington, actually it was not Nader’s debate. The Barr Campaign reached out to our camp through Baldwin then went to Nader who tried to bring in Tobin-the-Liar. Zimmer was a proposed venue but a school activity ruled it out so they considered Ohio State but then Nader could not make that so they shifted to Cleveland after the City Club made the offer. McKinney’s commitments are understandable and her refusal to participate in Tobin/Nader’s debate on the 19th is as well due to the sliminess of the organizer.
October 30th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Skeffington, who is the viper tongue allegedly apreading lies on the internet? This comment was a bit too obscure for my comprehension.