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	<title>Comments on: Ancient U.S. Supreme Court Opinion Seems to Say Congress May Give D.C. a Voting Representative</title>
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		<title>By: NewFederalist</title>
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		<dc:creator>NewFederalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OR... Congress could simply end all taxes in the District (ending the &quot;taxation without representation&quot; issue) and terminate home rule for the city and initiate the repeal process of the 23rd amendment. I think Speaker Pelosi would make a spendid &quot;mayor&quot; as many speakers in the past have demonstrated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OR&#8230; Congress could simply end all taxes in the District (ending the &#8220;taxation without representation&#8221; issue) and terminate home rule for the city and initiate the repeal process of the 23rd amendment. I think Speaker Pelosi would make a spendid &#8220;mayor&#8221; as many speakers in the past have demonstrated.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Riley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 06:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congress does not have to let residents of federal enclaves vote in State and local elections.

So Congress could retrocede most of DC to Maryland, but retain jurisdiction, and grant Washingtonians federal election rights in Maryland, without making them subject to Maryland taxation, law, or rights to participate in Maryland State elections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congress does not have to let residents of federal enclaves vote in State and local elections.</p>
<p>So Congress could retrocede most of DC to Maryland, but retain jurisdiction, and grant Washingtonians federal election rights in Maryland, without making them subject to Maryland taxation, law, or rights to participate in Maryland State elections.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Riley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 06:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#4.  Read the 23rd Amendment again.  DC gets the number of electors it would have as if it were a State, except that it can&#039;t have more than the least populous State.

But the current legislation does not propose giving DC representation on the basis of it being a State, or even the equivalent of a State (at least as a matter of law), but rather under terms of Article I, Section 8 granting Congress the right to exercise exclusive jurisdiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#4.  Read the 23rd Amendment again.  DC gets the number of electors it would have as if it were a State, except that it can&#8217;t have more than the least populous State.</p>
<p>But the current legislation does not propose giving DC representation on the basis of it being a State, or even the equivalent of a State (at least as a matter of law), but rather under terms of Article I, Section 8 granting Congress the right to exercise exclusive jurisdiction.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Frank Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Frank Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Amendment to which Mr. Quidam #9 refers is STILL pending. If the language defect was cured the House membership could rise to about 6,000 members. That&#039;s a lot of people for the lobbyists to get in their pockets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Amendment to which Mr. Quidam #9 refers is STILL pending. If the language defect was cured the House membership could rise to about 6,000 members. That&#8217;s a lot of people for the lobbyists to get in their pockets.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Quidam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Quidam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Related to this subject is the fact that the very first amendment inscribed on our Bill of Rights was never ratified.  &quot;Article the first&quot; was intended to ensure that the population size of congressional districts never exceeded 50,000.  While being finalized in joint committee, this amendment was inexplicably made defective by a subtle revision. This is an interesting story, which is found at: 
http://enlargethehouse.blogtownhall.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related to this subject is the fact that the very first amendment inscribed on our Bill of Rights was never ratified.  &#8220;Article the first&#8221; was intended to ensure that the population size of congressional districts never exceeded 50,000.  While being finalized in joint committee, this amendment was inexplicably made defective by a subtle revision. This is an interesting story, which is found at:<br />
<a href="http://enlargethehouse.blogtownhall.com/" rel="nofollow">http://enlargethehouse.blogtownhall.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark Seidenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Seidenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This posting reminded me of what I read many years
ago as an undergraduate in American history.  Viz.,
that under the Ordinance of 1787, the House of Representatives and the territorial council, met in
joint session, elected the territorial delegate to
Congress (not just the US House of Reprentatives).

Then George Poindexter of Mississippi Territory suggested popular election to the House and on
9 January 1808, the electors of Mississippi Territory received the privilege of electing their
delegated to Congress at the same election they
elected representives to the territorial House. [Laws of Congress, 10th Congress, 1st sess. pp. 14 - 16].

This leads me to the remainder of the Territory of
Michigan and Territory of Hawaii.  While I can not
see a population could ever hit the mark in the
remainder of the Territory of Hawaii to obtain a delegate to Congress.  I do see the
population numbers in the near future of the remainder of the Territory of Michigan, that they could have the population in to get a delegate  to Congress again.  {By the remainder of
the Territory of Michigan, most of that remainders
are on islands in the Pacific Ocean named the Washington Islands. Which are part of a United States territorial dispute with the government of British Columbia, a la,  W.A.C. &quot;Wacky&quot; Bennett views.} {Palmyra Island is most of the remainder of the Territory of Hawaii.} 

Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This posting reminded me of what I read many years<br />
ago as an undergraduate in American history.  Viz.,<br />
that under the Ordinance of 1787, the House of Representatives and the territorial council, met in<br />
joint session, elected the territorial delegate to<br />
Congress (not just the US House of Reprentatives).</p>
<p>Then George Poindexter of Mississippi Territory suggested popular election to the House and on<br />
9 January 1808, the electors of Mississippi Territory received the privilege of electing their<br />
delegated to Congress at the same election they<br />
elected representives to the territorial House. [Laws of Congress, 10th Congress, 1st sess. pp. 14 - 16].</p>
<p>This leads me to the remainder of the Territory of<br />
Michigan and Territory of Hawaii.  While I can not<br />
see a population could ever hit the mark in the<br />
remainder of the Territory of Hawaii to obtain a delegate to Congress.  I do see the<br />
population numbers in the near future of the remainder of the Territory of Michigan, that they could have the population in to get a delegate  to Congress again.  {By the remainder of<br />
the Territory of Michigan, most of that remainders<br />
are on islands in the Pacific Ocean named the Washington Islands. Which are part of a United States territorial dispute with the government of British Columbia, a la,  W.A.C. &#8220;Wacky&#8221; Bennett views.} {Palmyra Island is most of the remainder of the Territory of Hawaii.} </p>
<p>Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 10:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with some of the posts addressing the need for a comprehensive overview/revision in regards to how the U.S. Constitution grants representation at the federal level. Indeed, we&#039;re long overdue for a Convention! 

In regards to the House size, a while back Rep. Hastings from Florida introduced a bill that would establish a commission that would evaluate the size of the House and the method of election.

Up until 1920, the House grew in accordance with the decennial census information. A bill was introduced to increase the size to 483 members, but was ultimately capped at 435 by the passage of &quot;The Permanent Apportionment Act of 1929&quot;. Makes you think how large our delegations would be today!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with some of the posts addressing the need for a comprehensive overview/revision in regards to how the U.S. Constitution grants representation at the federal level. Indeed, we&#8217;re long overdue for a Convention! </p>
<p>In regards to the House size, a while back Rep. Hastings from Florida introduced a bill that would establish a commission that would evaluate the size of the House and the method of election.</p>
<p>Up until 1920, the House grew in accordance with the decennial census information. A bill was introduced to increase the size to 483 members, but was ultimately capped at 435 by the passage of &#8220;The Permanent Apportionment Act of 1929&#8243;. Makes you think how large our delegations would be today!</p>
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		<title>By: Demo Rep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Demo Rep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of negative stuff in the barely surviving U.S.A. Constitution -- under continuous attack by the statutory fix type MORONS and monarchs / oligarchs.

Some positive stuff --

Uniform definition of Elector-Voter in ALL parts of the U.S.A.
Equal nominating petitions for ballot access.
P.R. in all legislative bodies.
A.V. in all nonpartisan executive/judicial offices.

Much too difficult for the genius folks who know all the history trivia stuff connected with the regime ???

For the clueless - the ENTIRE regime is a gerrymander timebomb -- full of super-leftwing and super-rightwing MONSTERS in the gerrymander Congress and in every gerrymander State legislature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of negative stuff in the barely surviving U.S.A. Constitution &#8212; under continuous attack by the statutory fix type MORONS and monarchs / oligarchs.</p>
<p>Some positive stuff &#8211;</p>
<p>Uniform definition of Elector-Voter in ALL parts of the U.S.A.<br />
Equal nominating petitions for ballot access.<br />
P.R. in all legislative bodies.<br />
A.V. in all nonpartisan executive/judicial offices.</p>
<p>Much too difficult for the genius folks who know all the history trivia stuff connected with the regime ???</p>
<p>For the clueless &#8211; the ENTIRE regime is a gerrymander timebomb &#8212; full of super-leftwing and super-rightwing MONSTERS in the gerrymander Congress and in every gerrymander State legislature.</p>
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		<title>By: Rationality and Science Education</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rationality and Science Education</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Representative for Guam, PR, other corners of our fascist, imperial, global empire?  How about getting rid, state by state or nationally, the anti populist Electorial Circus altogether?

Apparently border to border white suburbia of Mary Land does not want DC back as a county. But DC residents with representation and none in Guam, PR, and else where?  We are a screwed up little not quite federalist, not quite nationalist, not quite states rights, not quite populist community!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Representative for Guam, PR, other corners of our fascist, imperial, global empire?  How about getting rid, state by state or nationally, the anti populist Electorial Circus altogether?</p>
<p>Apparently border to border white suburbia of Mary Land does not want DC back as a county. But DC residents with representation and none in Guam, PR, and else where?  We are a screwed up little not quite federalist, not quite nationalist, not quite states rights, not quite populist community!</p>
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		<title>By: D. Frank Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Frank Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reminder on the theoretical maximum based on the one per 30,000 ratio. 

On your second point, it would certainly &quot;adjust&quot; the number of Presidential Electors. With enough Electors given to DC the rest of the country could skip the election. 

Perhaps, we need a constitutional convention to start over. The Supreme Courts seem to have made a gooey mess out of the old Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reminder on the theoretical maximum based on the one per 30,000 ratio. </p>
<p>On your second point, it would certainly &#8220;adjust&#8221; the number of Presidential Electors. With enough Electors given to DC the rest of the country could skip the election. </p>
<p>Perhaps, we need a constitutional convention to start over. The Supreme Courts seem to have made a gooey mess out of the old Constitution.</p>
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