U.S. Supreme Court Conference of December 12

The U.S. Supreme Court held a conference on the morning of December 12, and in the afternoon announced it had accepted two new cases. Both of them are disputes about commercial matters. The Court said nothing about any further pending cases concerning Barack Obama’s eligibility, but on Monday when the “refused” list is released to the public, any such cases will probably be on the list.


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U.S. Supreme Court Conference of December 12 — 57 Comments

  1. Wow! Berg had such a strong factual case. Mountains of evidence, each piece corroborated under oath by multiple witnesses. Who could have predicted they would refuse him?

  2. Wow! Apparently our constitution means nothing. Don’t know if any of this Obama eligibility stuff is true or not, but we have a right to know the truth. He is hiding something by not being forthcoming with his documentation.

  3. “Don’t know if any of this Obama eligibility stuff is true or not, but we have a right to know the truth. He is hiding something by not being forthcoming with his documentation.”

    And you had the opportunity along with 200 million or so others to make that judgement and not vote for him. And to campaign for 1 or the other of his opponents. Perfectly fine. What’s not fine is coming to court with a lot of unsubstantiated conjecture trying to get 9 judges to overturn your fellow citizens’ judgement, because you don’t agree with it.

  4. CASES AGAINST OBAMA POTUS ARE FAILING AND WILL FAIL BECAUSE THE FOLLOWING SIMPLE REASONS:

    1. OBAMA was born here: (13th august 1961Edition of Honolulu Advertiser, Hawai)
    http://wikileaks.org/leak/obama-1961-birth-an
    YES HIS DAD WAS AFRICAN, SO WHAT ?, WE ARE NOT LIVING IN 1800’s (DARK DAYS WHEN NATIVE INDIANS
    AND BLACK PEOPLE WERE CONSIDERED INFERIORS BY THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE TH CONSTITUTION)

    2. ‘TERM NATURAL BORN’ IS NOT DEINED IN THE CONSTITUTION.

    3. READ THIS
    http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/judiciary/hju67306.000/hju67306_0.htm#0
    Then you quickly realize that OBAMA is fully qualified to be 44th president of USA

    4. As a white man from georgia,
    who has been voting REpublican for 75 years, I have never witnessed
    a situation where a candidate has to show his certificate of birth.(Presidents
    Hoover, Jefferson both parents were not born in USA ). What is wrong with OBAMA situation. You may say i am too old. However, I think it is a racial issue going on here. If my party won the elections, nobody will be talking about Mccain should show his birth certificate. In any case take time
    to read the constitution located in http://www.supremecourtus.gov/ . It does not give a reader the definition of ‘Natural born’. I suspect that most of above contributors have not read the constitution. Clearly any legal mind will tell you the term ‘Naturally born’ is open various interpretation. DoNofrio case says
    Natural born means both parents must be born in USA. Donofrio definition of ‘USA natural born’ IS NOT SPELLED OUT IN THE CONSTIUTION. THEREFORE HIS CASE WILL BE THROWN OUT, period.
    My definition of ‘Naturally born’ could be in a DNA delineage, in which case nobody will qualify, because this land of made of immigrants from different parts of planet earth (including native indians, who immigrate from some where else).
    AS TO MR OBAMA, YOU CANNOT ASK A CHILD TO PROVE WHERE HE WAS BORN. YOU CAN ONLY RELY ON WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY. WOmen can give birth in hospitals, some do at home without any midwife witness (draw your own conclusions). In any case OBAMA birth was advertized in Honolulu new paper
    on 13th August 1961, 9 days after he was born (4th August 1961). It is clear.
    NO DOUBT about. OBAMA WAS BORN IS USA
    (HAWAII, HONOLULU, clearly printed in that local newpaper edition in 1961).
    I DID NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA, However this man, is of GREAT INTELLECT who will fix up our country problems. MY PARTY (REPULICAN) delivers a disastrous performance over the last eight years under an intellectually ineffectual GUY.
    LOOK AT WHAT A MAN CAN DO, NOT AT HIS COLOUR OF SKIN. NOW MY PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY PAYING SOME BLACKLEADERS (Clarence thomas, supreme court, alan keyes and others) to create this mess. PLEASE STOP. IN MY 95 years, I have seen my people misuse, mistreat blacks, native indians,
    THIS IS THE CHANCE TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER to work for our COUNTRY.
    I WILL ALWAYS VOTE REPUBLICAN, BUT REPUBLICANS AND OTHERS MUST RESPECT THE WILL OF MAJORITY (over 7000000 people spoke clearly in favour of trying again the democrate governing philosophy.).
    We are in the 21st century. MR OBAMA DOES NOT HAVE SHOW HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE. WHERE WILL YOU STOP, IT WILL NOT PROVE ANYTHING. ANY USA birth certificate, however forensically tested will ONLY TELL YOU THAT IT IS 99.9999 % correct. BUT IT IS NOT 100 %

  5. Actually, the “evidence” that existed claiming that President elect-Obama was not legally eligible to be next President of the United States was all pretty vague and from sloppy, if not dishonest, sources.

  6. ETJB: You must have missed my sarcasm. There is in fact no “evidence’ worthy of the name. But that won’t matter to some.

  7. The SCOTUS Order List release Monday Dec 15th at 10AM and this should finally firm-up or unexpectedly destroy Obama’s fate. — this assuming that the California based Lighfoot case is docketed today and Berg’s PA based case cert is also in play in today’s conference. And especially since the Electoral College(s) meet nationwide Monday.

  8. The Truth will prevail. Sometimes it is well out of sight, but it will come back and hit you in the A…

    Be faithful and vigilant.

  9. Am I the last optimist standing? Why can’t I believe that the Court will give this unknown man one more “pass”? Because I believe: there are only three good things left: Christianity, Judaism, and the U S Constitution (someone else said this first); the truth will “out”, and Our God reigns!
    —Mary S. Florida

  10. Obviously, any orders released on Monday, 12/15, would be too late to impact the electoral college meetings in various states — though the pending matters would not have given the Supreme Court jurisdiction to somehow stop the process in any case.

    (I won’t get into the technical distinctions between a “stay” or “writ of mandamus” for now — just suffice it to say that the case on today’s calendar was procedurally deficient in a number of ways.)

  11. –as Richard has often stated, the electors can vote for anyone they wish (except perhaps in states with loyality restrictions) — then having the electors so voted, the qualification of the president(Obama/McCain) would perhaps be ripe for SCOTUS injunction and or other intervention.

  12. @Mr. Reality

    Multiple cases were held BEFORE the votes were cast and the same phrase was used multiple times: “Lack of standing.”. 3 of these cases have carried over from those lower courts hardly enough to complain about really, but that doesn’t stop the ‘winners’ from attempting to belittle, deride, and refuse people of their rights to act as they wish.

    The only thing ‘criminal’ is the lack of reliable information from the MSM and the lack of openness from the candidates during the elections.

  13. from “Orly” blog
    Lightfoot v Bowen Now On SCOTUS Docket

    Lightfoot v Bowen, filed in the Supreme Court, is now Docket #08A524. Justice Anthony Kennedy will review it first.

    — as of 8PM Friday — it is still not available on the SCOTUS public docket database

  14. See *ineligible* at the end of the 12th Amdt.

    See *failed to qualify* in 21 Amdt, Sec. 3.

    Were the authors wasting their time in writing such language ???

    Is the U.S.A. regime a de facto EVIL MONARCHY since the party hack Supremes (appointed by party hack Prezs) let each Prez do whatever — undeclared wars, etc. ???

  15. The language in the 12th & 20th amendment makes it clear that it is Congress’ job to determine eligibility at the time that the electoral votes are counted.

  16. Fuck you right wing pigs! Fuck you all! Obama rocks and your just jealous because a black man became Da Prez!!!!!!

  17. And I can’t believe the Democratic attorney general in Illinois would go to the state Supreme Court to get rid of Gov. Blagojevich! The people have spoken! He got elected governor! All you anti-Blagojevich wingnuts had the opportunity to not vote for him during his campaign. But he won! Now you want to go to court to overturn your fellow citizens’ judgement, because you don’t agree with it? Let Obama and Blagojevich both stay!

  18. If thus stuff keeps up, attorneys are going to face Rule 11 and get disbarred.
    You just cannot keep bring frivolous lawsuits without being sanctioned.

  19. OBAMA BIRTH PLACE:
    OBAMA is one of ours For the following reasons:
    1. OBAMA birth place:
    http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Obama_1961_birth_announcement_from_Honolulu_Advertiser

    2. I was there 6 months ago, and talked to neighbours
    who witnessed the new baby coming ( August 1961) and gave gifts to the the young mother Ann Duhnam and baby obama.
    http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Obama_1961_birth_announcement_from_Honolulu_Advertiser

    Can anybody tell me why there so many forces against him ?

    As far as I am concerned
    OBAMA is a man of GREAT INTELLECT who will fix up our country problems. MY PARTY (REPULICAN) delivers a disastrous performance over the last eight years under an intellectually ineffectual GUY.
    LOOK AT WHAT A MAN CAN DO, NOT AT HIS COLOUR OF SKIN. NOW MY PEOPLE (i.e. white people) ARE ACTUALLY PAYING SOME BLACKLEADERS (Clarence thomas, supreme court, alan keyes and others) and other right wings to create this mess. PLEASE STOP. IN MY 95 years, I have seen my people misuse, mistreat blacks, native indians,
    THIS IS THE CHANCE TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER to work for our COUNTRY.

  20. #s 15 & 16 were fake Mr Realitys. I was safely in bed at 1:30 AM, not on some board spouting rascist clap-trap.

    As for Blago, there are perfectly fine remedies in Illinois law and the state constitution. He can do the decent thing and resign or the legislature can do their job and impeach him. He practically defines “high crimes and misdemeanors”.

  21. I see soooo much support for a man hiding behind a birth certificate. These same people are afraid of what lies behind it and therefore want the issue to just “go away”. It speaks loudly of your respect for the Constitution – or the lack thereof.

  22. If there was tons of viable evidence, the supreme court would not likely turn the case down.

    The evidence Berg lacked:
    [None of the following is posted on his website or anywhere else]

    1. Documented proof that Obmam’s parent travelled to Kenya while she was pregnant with him. [no travel records, no passport for her, etc.]

    2. Documented proof that Obama was born in Kenya

    3. Documented proof that Obama filled out paperwork to revoke his American citizenship

    4. Documented proof that Obama activated his Kenyan citizenship before it expired

    5. Documented proof that Obama is a citizen of Indonesia

    6. Docmented proof that his Indonesian step-father formally adopted him.

    7.Documented proof that Obama’s Hawaiian birth certificate is fake.

    Berg, Donofrio and all the others have nothing but their suspicions, heresay, doctored tapes and questionable “witnesses with questionable motives.

  23. the travel issue of obama’s mom is before the SCOTUS out of both the USCA for the District of Columbia / USDC for Dist of Columbia; AND the USCA for the 2nd Circ./ USDC EDNY — Strunk v US State Dept (FOIA)

  24. In response to comment number twenty, it is Obama’s reponsibility to present documentation to prove that he’s a citizen, not the other way around! Why would he be more entitled than you or I? I had to produce proper documention to get my passport, or I would have been told to “hit the road!”

  25. Actually, Amt 20 only allows Congress to decide what to do when one does not qualify, not determine if one qualifies. On the subject of who determines who qualifies, the Constitution is silent.

    And that’s a problem that needs addressing.

  26. There have been more fake Mr. Reality posts. Gov. Blagojevich was elected by the people. President-elect Obama was elected by the people. The Illinois state constitution does not mention “selling a Senate seat”. The US Constitution does not mention “birth certificates”. The voters of Illinois wanted Blagojevich to serve. The voters of the US wanted Obama to serve.

    So let them both serve.

  27. Fake Mr Reality #24:

    You’re right. How could I have missed the similarities between evidence gathered through careful investigation, including actual tapes of the commission of crimes, and “evidence” consisting of the fevered speculation of people over where someone might have been born 48 years ago, especially where the documents and testimony from the state authorities responsible are in complete agreement? Exactltly the same situations, right?

    The REAL Mr Reality

  28. Fake Mr. Reality #25:

    Nice try, but people won’t believe that you’re really me. Blago and Obama were elected by the voters. Courts should not overturn the will of the people. I’ve said that many times about the wingnuts who want courts to overturn the presidential election, and now I’m saying it about the wingnuts who want courts to overturn the gubernatorial election.

    STOP pretending to be me.

  29. Looks like there have been more fake Mr. Reality posts. For the record, here’s my real opinion:

    Gov. Blagojevich was elected by the people.
    President-elect Obama was elected by the people.

    The Illinois state constitution does not mention “selling a Senate seat”.
    The US Constitution does not mention “birth certificates”.

    The voters of Illinois wanted Blagojevich to serve.
    The voters of the US wanted Obama to serve.

    So let them both serve.

  30. Fake Mr. Reality:

    Do you perpetually troll this site? Have you no life? Why don’t you wingnuts stop your obsession to overturn elections and just GET A LIFE.

  31. # 13 — my typo correction.

    See *failed to qualify* in 20 Amdt, Sec. 3.

    Supp. — See also the *other constitutional disability of the President* in the 12th Amdt. [total 3 disability parts]

    The 12th Amdt ONLY has —

    *The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates [from the States/DC] and the [Electoral College] votes [for Prez and VP] shall then be counted *** *

    NOTHING about having the gerrymander Congress rule on any disputed constitutional qualifications of a Prez or VP.

    Art. III, Sec. 2 — U.S.A. Courts – Judicial Power — cases arising under the Constitution.

    See Federalist Nos. 80 and 81 making the jurisdiction of the U.S.A. Courts co-extensive with the U.S.A. Congress and the U.S.A. Executive Branch (with historical exceptions — judging impeachments in Art. I, Sec. 3, Cl. 6 and judging elections in Art. I, Sec. 5, Cl. 1).

    Is the U.S.A. regime a government of LAW or of party hacks (male and female) (along with pre-school juvenile MORONS on this list] loyal only to the latest and greatest party hack Prez ???

    See the LAWLESS Stalin and Hitler regimes — having an appearance of legality.

    Do the party hack robot MORONS want/love to have a Civil W-A-R II — with multi-millions of dead and injured ???

  32. 12/12/08 PRESS RELEASE: U. S. SUPREME COURT REQUESTED TO ISSUE AN INJUNCTION TO STAY ELECTORAL VOTES ON DECEMBER 15, 2008 UNTIL OBAMA PROVES HE IS QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT AS “CONSTITUTION CRISIS” IS COMING and ASKS “OBAMA” TO WITHDRAW HIS NAME FOR PRESIDENT

    (Contact information and PDF at end)
    (Washington, DC – 12/12/08) – Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States today filed again with the U.S. Supreme Court an Application for an Injunction to Stay the Electoral Votes on December 15, 2008 and to prohibit Vice President Cheney, the House of Representatives and the Senate from counting any Votes for Obama until Obama Proves he is “Qualified” to be President. This time, the Application for Injunction was addressed to Justice Anthony Kennedy.

    Earlier this week on 12/08/08, Berg filed a similar Application with Justice Souter, as he is Justice assigned to the 3rd Circuit. Unfortunately, on 12/09/08, Justice Souter denied our Application.

    Berg filed this while still waiting to hear if the U.S. Supreme Court will hear the Petition for Writ of Certiorari that he filed on October 30, 2008, requesting review of the United States District Court, Eastern District of Pennsylvania, Judge Surrick’s Dismissal of Philip J. Berg’s lawsuit against Barack H. Obama, Jr., the DNC and the other co-Defendants regarding “standing.”
    Mr. Berg remarked today, “I am appalled that the main stream media continues to ignore this issue as we are headed to a ‘Constitution Crisis.’ There is nothing more important than our U.S. Constitution and it must be enforced. I am concerned that our Courts have not yet decided to look into the merits of our allegations. I know that Mr. Obama is not a constitutionally qualified ‘natural-born’ citizen and therefore, is ineligible to assume the office of President of the United States.

    Obama, knows he is not ‘natural born’ as he knows where he was born and he knows he was adopted in Indonesia; is an attorney, Harvard Law grad who taught Constitutional law; knows the Obama candidacy is the biggest ‘hoax’ attempted on the citizens of the United States in over 200 years; places our Constitution in a ‘crisis’ situation; and Obama is in a situation where he can be blackmailed by leaders around the world.”

    Berg concluded, “I will continue to file Court proceedings until Obama either proves he is qualified or does the right thing and states that he is proud that he, an African American, received more votes than anyone else in the Presidential election on November 4, 2008, but because of things in his past, he must withdraw his name.

  33. The consequences of the Supreme Court declining to address the US Constitution’s “natural born citizen” clause on the morning of Monday 12/15/08 — thereafter enabling the College of Electors to transform the crisis from “law” to “political and Congressional”, leading to the ‘inauguration’ of Mr. Obama, are nothing less than catastrophic. Lawsuits by members of the military challenging his ‘commander in chief’ status are INEVITABLE. And a military takeover to oust the “usurper” may be inevitable as well. Where is the media? This is no “tin foil hat” joke.

  34. I would hope folks who are non lawyers realize some things. This is NOT about who you voted for or why, this is about a LEGAL Requirement to become POTUS. You can argue what you MIGHT LIKE the Constitution to read, but until it is revised, we are stuck with the language that is there, right or wrong. You should also not CONFUSE dismissal of a case for technical reasons, like LACK of STANDING or Subject Matter Jurisdiction as a DECISION ON THE MERITS of what was alleged. They are NOT the same. Federal Courts are courts of limited jurisdiction, thus many cases get dismissed for that reason alone. You also should not believe what you read in blogs or in the press, since most of the time they also do not know of what they speak. An ORDER to deny a REQUEST for STAY, is what it is, AN ORDER TO DENY THAT REQUEST AT THIS POINT IN TIME. IT is NOT an Order denying the underlying case or in these cases, the Petitions for Certiorari, those Petitions are still pending with SCOTUS until you see an order Granting CERT or denying CERT. That has NOT yet occured so we have several cases STILL PENDING and several more on their way up to SCOTUS.

    SCOTUS MAY deny CERT in some or all these cases, or they may NOT. Time will tell. The Court is generally cautious on rulings involving matters where citizens have expressed their will at the ballot box, and could easily decided the matters alleged are a POLITICAL QUESTION and thus not properly before the Judiciary at either the state or Federal level. That does not mean there is no possible remedy or method of oversight, you still have the Electoral College process under state laws in 50 States, you still have the right of a Congressman or Senator to challenge the votes of the Electors when the tally is sent to President of the Senate, and then Congress would need to resolve the issue on the merits including the question of qualifying with the Constitution and the language of WHO IS NATURAL BORN, and what do those words mean in this context. What I do know, is the question will NOT be resolved by the BLOGS or the commenters who throw barbs back and forth at each other. The proof of Eligbility to run for POTUS seems a pretty basic and easy thing to prove, but it appears it has not yet been done. Hopefully one of the OVERSIGHT mechanisms our Founders put in place will be used to resolve the question authoritatively. Glad to see all these folks taking the time to learn about the Constitution, our Nation’s History and the Law. For example, how many times did ELECTORS NOT vote for the person they were pledged to? How many times did CONGRESS determine the next POTUS and NOT the Electoral College? These are fun factoids to research. Can a baby born in a foreign country with a British Dad, have that live birth registerd in Hawaii under the laws and procedures in effect at the time, and is the residence of the PARENT (i.e, Hawaii) and not the place of birth what gets put into the data base and is listed on a CERTIFICATION of Live Birth (COLB) but what is NOT a true BIRTH CERTIFICATE, the thing that shows Hospital and time and place, and Doctor’s name, stuff like that. Dan

  35. The State of Hawaii, has verified the authenticity of Obama’s birth certificate. Obama’s original birth announcement in the local newspaper from 1961 has also been verified.

    Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original vault birth certificate.

    “Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures,” Fukino said.

    Fukino said that no state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama’s certificate be handled differently from any other.

    I did try to attach a copy of the certificate of live birth with the upraised seal that the Governor certified as authentic but this site will not let me cut and paste it to this page. I found it on the internet under Hawaii verifies Obama Birth Certificate is authentic. It came with certification statement.

    There is your proof!

  36. FRAUDULENT individuals have to much 501 money. See who, what, where? I am busy, good bye!

    In the event there is no outright Barack Hussien Obama II birth certificate disclosure and the Constitution of the United States is further pushed into beltway nondisclosure? We must remember that violence is the last resort of the incompetent.

    Advocates for stupidity, proponents of the policies of who cares understand that they have a well tuned 750 million dollar production system funded by grassroots complacency and our countries demise. They have no regard for qualifications. What is that to a LIBERAL? In trying to speak their language that would amount to a date rape drug. Where one of gets raped and all the witnesses agree it was ok? “How come it is not all right?”

  37. FRAUDULENT individuals have to much 501 money. See who, what, where? I am busy, good bye!

    In the event there is no outright Barack Hussien Obama II birth certificate disclosure and the Constitution of the United States is further pushed into beltway nondisclosure? We must remember that violence is the last resort of the incompetent.

    Advocates for stupidity, proponents of the policies of who cares understand that they have a well tuned 750 million dollar production system funded by grassroots complacency and our countries demise. They have no regard for qualifications. What is that to a LIBERAL? In trying to speak their language that would amount to a date rape drug. Where one of gets raped and all the witnesses agree it was ok? “How come it is not all right?”

  38. CJ a Certification of Live Birth (COLB)from Hawaii is NOT PROOF of Natural Born in USA. Since under Hawaiian Law at the time, a parent can REGISTER a live birth of a baby born outside of Hawaii, say Kenya, and the RESIDENCE of the parents at the time (Honolulu) is what goes into the data base, and what would appear on the printout. That is only PROOF of the REGISTRATION of the live birth, NOT WHERE the birth took place! The LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE which you may have copy of your own, typically shows more, like Hospital and Doctor or Midwife etc. No one has seen that yet. The statement from Hawaii only says the COLB matches what is in the date base, NOT where he was BORN, since information in the date base is Residence of Parent at time Live Birth was registered! That is the whole issue involved in that question. The other questions are was he also BRITISH Citizen at Birth due to his Dad being British subject at time of birth, regardless of LOCATION of Birth, and also the question of possible renunciation of any USA citizenship to become a Citizen of Indonesia to go to school there. These are all FACT questions and then the law in effect at the time of the birth, would need to be applied to the FACTS. Not the law folks WANT it to be, the ACTUAL LAWS in effect. I would expected the SCOTUS NOT to take the case and instead decide it is a POLITICAL QUESTION, best left to the States via the Electoral College Process and Ultimately the CONGRESS under the Constitution as the third branch of government with the Exclusive power to APPROVE the Electoral College votes and declare the next POTUS as well as the Exclusive Power to REMOVE a head of the Executive Branch via Impeachment. They will say that is where the Founding Fathers placed the oversight for the Natural Born Question.

    See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_question

    SCOTUS decision from Conference on Friday should be known shortly after 10 am, on December 15, same day the Electors of Electoral College are to vote. Sometimes Electors do not vote for the person they are pledged to. I think that has happened like 158 times before. Congress picked the President Twice in our nation’s history I believe. Don’t confuse a decision grantig or denying Injunctive relief, with decisions ON THE MERITS or PROCESS like Cert Granted or Cert Denied. SCOTUS has yet to deny any of the CERT PETITIONS. The media reports things wrong, read the actual Orders or decision of SCOTUS on their Web site. I predict they deny them eventually, maybe as MOOT if Congress counts the Electoral College ballots and proclaims the next President. The POLITICAL QUESTION will have then been resolved.

  39. According to the State of Hawaii – a certified copy of his birth certifcate WAS PROVIDED and has been authenticated to be a certified copy of the vault copy – what more proof do you people need? You are so blinded by hate for Barack Obama that you won’t even believe the State of Hawaii who has certified and authenticated that they have the original vault copy and that he was born in Honoloulu Hawaii.

  40. OPINIONS/EDITORIALS:
    December 15th, 2008
    LTE: Does Our Constitution Really Matter?

    Attorney Philip J. Berg, former deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania and a longtime Democrat partisan filed a writ of certiorari in the U.S. Supreme Court on Oct.30, to force Obama to produce his birth certificate as qualifications for being elected President of the United States. To date some 20 law suits have been filed across our nation and most are Democrats. Former Presidential Candidate Allen Keys a Republican has filed a laws suit against the Attorney General of California demanding that Obama present his birth certificate before she could send in the States 55 delegates votes. I can hear Barrack Obama’s supporters even here in Pennsylvania saying its political attacks. If it were not law mandated by our Constitution that all Presidential candidates be natural born citizens as qualifications, one may have a argument. Barrack Obama was born in Kenya, Africa to his Mother and Father Barrack Obama Sr who under law of Kenya you must denounce your citizenship to any other country to become married. Barry Sorrento Obama was later adopted by his new step father and became a citizen of Indonesia when his Mother then remarried and certified that Barrack was not a citizen of any other country to attend School there. To date Barrack Obama travels the world on a Indonesian passport. Finally The state of Hawaii does not have a certified birth certificate on file showing Barrack Obama was born in Hawaii, however they do have a notice of live birth which shows that Obama was born, which Barrack Obama’s Mother later filed some 12 year later to allow Barrack Obama to attend school in America while he stayed at his Grandparents home. The Supreme Court refuses to hear these lawsuits as it is not their responsibility, yet if not, then who then must uphold the laws of the land and uphold the Constitution of the United States.

    Ed McGarvey
    Hooversville, Pa.

  41. OPINIONS/EDITORIALS:
    December 15th, 2008
    LTE: Does Our Constitution Really Matter?

    Attorney Philip J. Berg, former deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania and a longtime Democrat partisan filed a writ of certiorari in the U.S. Supreme Court on Oct.30, to force Obama to produce his birth certificate as qualifications for being elected President of the United States. To date some 20 law suits have been filed across our nation and most are Democrats. Former Presidential Candidate Allen Keys a Republican has filed a laws suit against the Attorney General of California demanding that Obama present his birth certificate before she could send in the States 55 delegates votes. I can hear Barrack Obama’s supporters even here in Pennsylvania saying its political attacks. If it were not law mandated by our Constitution that all Presidential candidates be natural born citizens as qualifications, one may have a argument. Barrack Obama was born in Kenya, Africa to his Mother and Father Barrack Obama Sr who under law of Kenya you must denounce your citizenship to any other country to become married. Barry Sorrento Obama was later adopted by his new step father and became a citizen of Indonesia when his Mother then remarried and certified that Barrack was not a citizen of any other country to attend School there. To date Barrack Obama travels the world on a Indonesian passport. Finally The state of Hawaii does not have a certified birth certificate on file showing Barrack Obama was born in Hawaii, however they do have a notice of live birth which shows that Obama was born, which Barrack Obama’s Mother later filed some 12 year later to allow Barrack Obama to attend school in America while he stayed at his Grandparents home. The Supreme Court refuses to hear these lawsuits as it is not their responsibility, yet if not, then who then must uphold the laws of the land and uphold the Constitution of the United States.

    Ed McGarvey
    Hooversville, Pa.

  42. To AD Beverley,
    Please think for yourself, Do not just copy and paste.

    THE TERM ‘NATURAL BORN’ is not defined in the
    constitution.
    The Constitution was written by a bunch of guys
    who believed that MY people (caucasians) were
    superior. WE are not in 1800’s. For God Sake we are in 2008.
    Fellow republicans, time has changed, adapt or die.
    By 2050, this country will be predominantly hispanic, so get used to. From 2050 Future presidents will not be be of caucasian origins.
    AS To OBAMA, all lawsuits will fail because

    1. OBAMA birth place:
    http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Obama_1961_birth_announcement_from_Honolulu_Advertiser

    2. I was there 6 months ago, and talked to neighbours
    who witnessed the new baby coming ( August 1961) and gave gifts to the the young mother Ann Duhnam and baby obama.
    http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Obama_1961_birth_announcement_from_Honolulu_Advertiser

    3. THE TERM ‘NATURAL BORN IS NOT DEFINED IN THE CONSTITUTION (read constitution http://www.supremecourtus.gov/) Do not rely on some private interpretations (philip berg, Worotknowski) of the term ‘NATURAL BORN’. My own interpretation is spelled out in my previous contributions.

    4. CONSTITUTION WAS WRITTEN BY A BUNCH OF RACISTS
    WHO BELIEVED THAT MY KIND (CAUCASIANS) were SUPERIOR race. SO IT WILL BE hubsurd to uphold stupid claims.

  43. To AD Beverley,
    Republican administration asked for 750 billions dollars to save the US financial system, which drives our economy. IS Bush administration liberal ?
    What are you talking about ?

    I am 95 years white man from georgia.
    Did you know that
    Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Warren Harding and Calvin Coolidge — had black ancestors. Nobody questioned their birth certificate because their skin was whiter.
    Think about it. Most of people are hiding behind
    OBAMA birth certificate to claim that he is not fit to be president.
    OBAMA was born here:
    http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Obama_1961_birth_announcement_from_Honolulu_Advertiser.
    CONSTITUTION WAS WRITTEN BY SLAVE OWNERS.
    THIS is 21St century.

  44. Dear Ed McGarvey – Before I address your post from above – you should really do your research on Senator Berg – he is the Attorney that over the past few years has filed all of the conspiracy lawsuits in this country (including John McCain is not a natural born citizen, Alan Keyes in not a natural born citizen, Bush and Cheney directly planned and were responsible for 9/11/2008, (Senator Berg) believes that Barack Obama abuses drugs (not only unsubstantiated but proven again to be patently false)and therefore should be disqualified to run for President, etc.) You get the idea – He has filed every type of lawsuit imaginable regarding not only Barack Obama but every other official that has ran for President, Congress, etc. and when Barack Obama won the general election he started throwing accusations of every type with hopes that something might stick. However, everything in his lawsuits has been proven to be patently false and when he was asked to provide the so called provable evidence he claims he has -he could not do so as it DID NOT and DOES NOT Exist. Barack Obama travels on a US passport – as proven by the FBI and Homeland Security (and not an Indonesian one as Berg claims) By The Way – if you have ever applied for a US Passport you would find that you must Provide a CERTIFIED COPY of your birth certificate along with other documentation. Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii and Hawaiian Officials verified to the Supreme Court that they do indeed have the vault copy of his birth certificate from August of 1961- filed in August of 1961 (not 12 years later as Berg claims)they also verified that the Certificate of Live Birth that was distributed by Barack Obama was authentic and not a forgery as Berg claims – (he (berg) then stated that he did not believe the officials in Hawaii as they could be lying and he demanded to be given the names of the doctors and nurses who may have been on duty the day Barack Obama was born – so he could speak with them personally). He was not born in Kenya – his mother was not even in Kenya at the time of his birth (as proven by her passport and travel records per the FBI.) He never went by the name of Barry Soerto Obama (he was never adopted by his mothers second husband)his Indonesian School records show his name listed as Barrack Hussein Obama (again verified.) Because Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii he is a natural born citizen and his mother taking him to Indonesia did not forfeit his US Citizenship (as Berg claims)since only he Barack Obama could have forfeited that citizenship and only after the age of 18. He was only 8 years old when he returned from Indonesia and has spent his entire life since then living in the United States and at no time did he ever renounce his US citizenship (proven and verified).

    Senator Berg has made it perfectly clear that he intends to keep up this nonsense until someone takes him seriously and renounces the elections of November 4, 2008 and gives the win to Hilary Clinton since he truly believes that she is the only candidate that ran that was legitimate and therefore she is the only one eligible to win. (Berg stated that if McCain or any candidate other than Hilary Clinton would have won, these same lawsuits would have been filed against them as he believes only Clinton should be president). That is why the Supreme Court and other courts around the country continue to reject these lawsuits – they are all based on rumors, innuendos, lies and the statements regarding Obama in the suits have been proven to patently false.

    Senator Berg in another lawsuit for fraud claims Barack Obama’s mother, his grandparents, the State of Hawaii, the State of Illinois, The United States Government, The Social Security Administration, The Illinois State Legislature, the FBI, The IRS, the Hawaiin newspapers that ran Obama’s birth announcement, the Doctors, the Nurses, the Hawaiin hospital, etc. have all been involved since the day Barack Obama birth in a mass coverup on the off chance that a young boy named Barack Obama may one day want to run for President of the United States and they all wanted to make sure he could do so.

  45. the US State Dept says Homeland Security Dept now has the travel records for Obama’s mom circa 1961.

  46. CJ you state that “State of Hawaii who has certified and authenticated that they have the original vault copy and that he was born in Honoloulu Hawaii.” Can you show me WHERE THEY SAID HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII? I have only seen where they say the information on the short form COLB matches the information in the data base and Hawaii procedures were followed. That does NOT SAY he was born in Hawaii. My understanding is Hawaii allowed the registration of live births that DID NOT take place in Hawaii, as long as a parent filed the paperwork, paid the fee, and was a resident of Hawaii for a year before filing the paperwork. Thus the HONOLULU on the COLB really refers to the residency of the parent at time of filing and NOT location of the birth of the child.

    A long form BIRTH CERTIFICATE like I have from my state, shows things like Doctor’s name, hospital, etc. A CERTIFICATION is not the same as the CERTIFICATE, that is the point being raised which most folks keep overlooking. Why not produce a document you can probably get for $15.00 bucks or so, versus spending $800K in legal fees to hide something you do not want the world to know. Sounds pretty simple to me! Dan

  47. CJ this is what Hawaii says about certificates for kids born out of state.

    [§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

  48. Barack Obama was born at the Kapi’olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu, Hawaii,[2][3] to Ann Dunham, a White American from Wichita, Kansas[4] of English and Irish descent.[5][6] Obama’s father was Barack Obama, Sr., a Luo from Nyang’oma Kogelo, Nyanza Province, Kenya.

  49. Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

  50. Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.

  51. Sorry, posts 43 and 44 are backwords. 44 statement was on top and 43 was under it. I made the correction here so that I could not be accused of misquoting the actual statements. – Both of these quotes are from the Associated Press.

    Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.

    Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

  52. I was reading an article in the Baltimore Sun today – it is part 2 of a biography on Barack Obama’s mother and there is a statement in there that jumped out at me amid this controversy of where he was born –

    About that same time, another letter crossed the Pacific, this one heading to Africa. It was from Barack Obama Sr. to his mother, Sarah Hussein Onyango Obama. Though the letter didn’t go into great detail, it said he had met a young woman named Ann (not Stanley). There wasn’t much on how they met or what the attraction was, but he announced their plans to wed.

    The Dunhams weren’t happy. Stanley Ann’s prospective father-in-law was furious. He wrote the Dunhams “this long, nasty letter saying that he didn’t approve of the marriage,” Obama recounted his mother telling him in “Dreams.” “He didn’t want the Obama blood sullied by a white woman.”

    Six months after they wed, another letter arrived in Kenya, announcing the birth of Barack Hussein Obama, born Aug. 4, 1961. Despite her husband’s continued anger, Sarah Obama said in a recent interview, she “was so happy to have a grandchild in the U.S.”

    I think this says it all.

  53. Before you can ask why #47 is significant – if he was born in Kenya as Berg claims and if his grandmother Sarah Obama was at his birth as Berg claims then why six months after Barack Obama, Jr. was born did Barack Obama, Sr. send a letter to his parents announcing the birth of their grandson Barack Obama, Jr. The answer is very simple – Barack Obama, Jr. was born in Honolulu Hawaii as attested to and verified by The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health. (Per the Associated Press – Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu)or even this one (state officials in Hawaii say they checked health department records and have determined there’s no doubt Obama was born in Hawaii.)

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