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	<title>Comments on: 10th Circuit Strikes Down Oklahoma Ban on Out-of-State Circulators</title>
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		<title>By: Demo Rep</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/12/18/10th-circuit-strikes-down-oklahoma-ban-on-out-of-state-circulators/comment-page-1/#comment-601415</link>
		<dc:creator>Demo Rep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Witnessing Elector signatures is akin to a Notary Public function -- a very high position in the law -- even given some status in some State constitutions.

Where are those millions of illegal immigrants and outer space folks circulating petitions ???

I.E. Folks are or are NOT members (ELECTORS) of each political community.

NON-members are ALIENS in the regime.

Way too difficult for the MORON party hack Supremes to understand.

Once upon a time some of the ancient Greek city-states had the death penalty for NON-members who got involved in the government of the city-state.  Guess why ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Witnessing Elector signatures is akin to a Notary Public function &#8212; a very high position in the law &#8212; even given some status in some State constitutions.</p>
<p>Where are those millions of illegal immigrants and outer space folks circulating petitions ???</p>
<p>I.E. Folks are or are NOT members (ELECTORS) of each political community.</p>
<p>NON-members are ALIENS in the regime.</p>
<p>Way too difficult for the MORON party hack Supremes to understand.</p>
<p>Once upon a time some of the ancient Greek city-states had the death penalty for NON-members who got involved in the government of the city-state.  Guess why ?</p>
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		<title>By: Britt</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/12/18/10th-circuit-strikes-down-oklahoma-ban-on-out-of-state-circulators/comment-page-1/#comment-599773</link>
		<dc:creator>Britt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it doesn&#039;t change the fact there was a blatant disregard for the law before it was changed how sad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it doesn&#8217;t change the fact there was a blatant disregard for the law before it was changed how sad</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s give credit to the plaintiffs&#039; attorneys, Todd Graves of the law firm of Graves, Bartle and Marcus, and Steve Hoersting of the Center for Competitive Politics (of which I am Chairman).  See http://www.campaignfreedom.org/news_center/newsID.62/news_detail.asp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s give credit to the plaintiffs&#8217; attorneys, Todd Graves of the law firm of Graves, Bartle and Marcus, and Steve Hoersting of the Center for Competitive Politics (of which I am Chairman).  See <a href="http://www.campaignfreedom.org/news_center/newsID.62/news_detail.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.campaignfreedom.org/news_center/newsID.62/news_detail.asp</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Signature gathering isn&#039;t on a par with voting.  It&#039;s on a par with driving people to the polls, or giving a campaign contribution, or helping a candidate set up a web page, or otherwise advising a campaign, or providing accounting services to a campaign, or doing polling for a campaign, or legal advice to a campaign.  It&#039;s just plain old work.  We don&#039;t worry about the residency of other types of professional campaign workers; why should initiative circulators be treated any differently than other election campaign professionals?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Signature gathering isn&#8217;t on a par with voting.  It&#8217;s on a par with driving people to the polls, or giving a campaign contribution, or helping a candidate set up a web page, or otherwise advising a campaign, or providing accounting services to a campaign, or doing polling for a campaign, or legal advice to a campaign.  It&#8217;s just plain old work.  We don&#8217;t worry about the residency of other types of professional campaign workers; why should initiative circulators be treated any differently than other election campaign professionals?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Narvaes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Narvaes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry, I did confuse Andy with someone else.

I see your point on the free-speech angle, but my concern is that out-of-state interests with budgets a lot bigger than anything in Oklahoma are going to have too much influence over Oklahoma politics.  I trust that the other people commenting here have good intentions for the people of Oklahoma, but I think there are others who are just out to make money, at the expense of the general population.  Our state Consitution here in Oklahoma is frightfully easy to change; all it takes is a petition and a 50% vote of the people, and those things can be bought.  I fear that allowing out-of-state petition circulators will make that far easier to change the constitution in ways that are harmful to the people of Oklahoma.
  Signing a petition is easy - I even accidentally signed that TABOR petition before I reconsidered.  Collecting signatures requires more commitment, and by restricting this to people who live in the state, at least they have a vested interest in making sure the changes they are trying to institute are good for the people of the state.  If paid signature gatherers come in from elsewhere, they may be trying to improve things for the state, but they also have the motive of earning money, and they don&#039;t have to live with the consequences if things go wrong.
  From a logical standpoint, if the actual signing of the petition is restricted to registered voters, it doesn&#039;t seem like too much of a restriction to also require that of the signature gatherers.  After all, free speech does not imply that you can vote in a state you are visiting.  The question is: Is signature gathering on par with voting, with respect to the level of participation in politics, and if so, shouldn&#039;t it also be restricted to people who live in the place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry, I did confuse Andy with someone else.</p>
<p>I see your point on the free-speech angle, but my concern is that out-of-state interests with budgets a lot bigger than anything in Oklahoma are going to have too much influence over Oklahoma politics.  I trust that the other people commenting here have good intentions for the people of Oklahoma, but I think there are others who are just out to make money, at the expense of the general population.  Our state Consitution here in Oklahoma is frightfully easy to change; all it takes is a petition and a 50% vote of the people, and those things can be bought.  I fear that allowing out-of-state petition circulators will make that far easier to change the constitution in ways that are harmful to the people of Oklahoma.<br />
  Signing a petition is easy &#8211; I even accidentally signed that TABOR petition before I reconsidered.  Collecting signatures requires more commitment, and by restricting this to people who live in the state, at least they have a vested interest in making sure the changes they are trying to institute are good for the people of the state.  If paid signature gatherers come in from elsewhere, they may be trying to improve things for the state, but they also have the motive of earning money, and they don&#8217;t have to live with the consequences if things go wrong.<br />
  From a logical standpoint, if the actual signing of the petition is restricted to registered voters, it doesn&#8217;t seem like too much of a restriction to also require that of the signature gatherers.  After all, free speech does not imply that you can vote in a state you are visiting.  The question is: Is signature gathering on par with voting, with respect to the level of participation in politics, and if so, shouldn&#8217;t it also be restricted to people who live in the place?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ralph Nader&#039;s earlier victory in the 9th circuit this year on the out-of-state petition issue has the effect of making the Idaho and Montana laws invalid, since those two states are in the 9th circuit.  But South Dakota and Nebraska are in the 8th circuit, the only circuit where the law was upheld.  It is likely that a lawsuit to invalidate Idaho&#039;s out-of-state petitioner law will be filed next week.

Also don&#039;t forget that Arizona has appealed the Nader decision to the US Supreme Court, which hasn&#039;t said yet whether it will hear it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ralph Nader&#8217;s earlier victory in the 9th circuit this year on the out-of-state petition issue has the effect of making the Idaho and Montana laws invalid, since those two states are in the 9th circuit.  But South Dakota and Nebraska are in the 8th circuit, the only circuit where the law was upheld.  It is likely that a lawsuit to invalidate Idaho&#8217;s out-of-state petitioner law will be filed next week.</p>
<p>Also don&#8217;t forget that Arizona has appealed the Nader decision to the US Supreme Court, which hasn&#8217;t said yet whether it will hear it.</p>
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		<title>By: Coming back to the LP</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/12/18/10th-circuit-strikes-down-oklahoma-ban-on-out-of-state-circulators/comment-page-1/#comment-598977</link>
		<dc:creator>Coming back to the LP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s hope this ruling gets the stupid, evil, fascist State of Oklahoma case (vendetta) against Paul Jacob, et. al. thrown out of court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s hope this ruling gets the stupid, evil, fascist State of Oklahoma case (vendetta) against Paul Jacob, et. al. thrown out of court.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Dondero</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Dondero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This will carry over to Montana, and South Dakota, two states who most recently changed their laws to ban out-of-state petitioners.

You know who is probably more pissed off about this than anyone else?  Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer.  That assclown Democrat got out libertarian petitions kicked off the ballot for Property Rights, and Spending Caps in 2006 using the out-of-state petitioner argument.

I was one of those petititoners.

This ruling is extra-sweet with the Montana angle and Schweitzer considered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This will carry over to Montana, and South Dakota, two states who most recently changed their laws to ban out-of-state petitioners.</p>
<p>You know who is probably more pissed off about this than anyone else?  Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer.  That assclown Democrat got out libertarian petitions kicked off the ballot for Property Rights, and Spending Caps in 2006 using the out-of-state petitioner argument.</p>
<p>I was one of those petititoners.</p>
<p>This ruling is extra-sweet with the Montana angle and Schweitzer considered.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 07:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does this mean that states who forbid out of state people  collecting signatures like Montana will have to change their laws on the ballot process. Has the paid per signature also changed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does this mean that states who forbid out of state people  collecting signatures like Montana will have to change their laws on the ballot process. Has the paid per signature also changed?</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/12/18/10th-circuit-strikes-down-oklahoma-ban-on-out-of-state-circulators/comment-page-1/#comment-598314</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Result - ONLY the Electors of a State have any *political* business in taking part in the Stateâ€™s election system â€” regardless of any MORON opinion by the party hack Supremes.&quot;


This is a ridiculous statement.  Asking people to sign petitions is a FREE SPEECH activity.  If you are going to ban somebody from asking another person to sign a petition just because the person holding the petition normally resides in a different state,  you should also prohibit a person who happens to be from a different state who is travelling through say Illinois from talking about anything that is going on in politics in that state - like say the current scandal surrounding Governor Rod Blagojevich. 


Asking a person to sign a petition is NOT the same thing as voting.  It is a FREE SPEECH activity.  Can&#039;t you understand this?  Do you not support free speech?  Are you anti-American or something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Result &#8211; ONLY the Electors of a State have any *political* business in taking part in the Stateâ€™s election system â€” regardless of any MORON opinion by the party hack Supremes.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a ridiculous statement.  Asking people to sign petitions is a FREE SPEECH activity.  If you are going to ban somebody from asking another person to sign a petition just because the person holding the petition normally resides in a different state,  you should also prohibit a person who happens to be from a different state who is travelling through say Illinois from talking about anything that is going on in politics in that state &#8211; like say the current scandal surrounding Governor Rod Blagojevich. </p>
<p>Asking a person to sign a petition is NOT the same thing as voting.  It is a FREE SPEECH activity.  Can&#8217;t you understand this?  Do you not support free speech?  Are you anti-American or something?</p>
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