2) Travel was NOT BANNED to Pakistan in 1981. NO. 81-33A

Travel Advisory

Passport Services/Bureau of Consular Affa[irs]
Department of State/Wahington. D.C. 205__

AUGUST 17, 1981

TRAVEL TO PAKISTAN

BEFORE TRAVELING TO PAKISTAN, AMERICAN CITIZENS SHOULD BE AWARE OF THE FOLLO[WING] UPDATED VISA REQUIREMENTS: 30 DAY VISAS ARE AVAILABLE AT PAKISTANI AIRPORTS [FOR] TOURISTS ONLY. AS THESE VISAS ARE RARELY EXTENDED BEYOND THE 30 DAY TIME PER[IOD,] TOURISTS PLANNING TO STAY LONGER SHOULD SECURE VISAS BEFORE COMING TO PAKIS[TAN.] ANY TRAVELER COMING INTO PAKISTAN OVERLAND FROM INDIA MUST REPEAT MUST HA[VE A] VALID VISA, AS 30 DAY VISAS ARE NOT REPEAT NOT ISSUED AT THE OVERLAND BOR[DER] CROSSING POINT AT WAGHA.

ANY NON-OFFICIAL AMERICAN WHO IS IN PAKISTAN FOR MORE THAN 30 DAYS MUST REGIS[TER] WITH THE GOVERNMENT’S FOREIGNER REGISTRATION OFFICE. EXIT PERMITS ARE REQUI[RED] FOR THOSE WHO HAVE STAYED LONGER THAN 30 DAYS BEFORE THEY ARE ALLOWED TO LE[AVE T]HE COUNTRY. ALL AMERICANS TRAVELING TO PAKISTAN ON OFFICIAL BUSINESS OR [FOR] PRIVATE EMPLOYMENT ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A VISA BEFORE ARRIVAL, AND, AS [THE] GOVERNMENT OF PAKISTAN’S CLEARANCE PROCESS IS OFTEN QUITE LENGTHY, WE WOULD URGE TH[OSE] COMING TO APPLY AT THE NEAREST PAKISTANI EMBASSY OR CONSULATE AS FAR IN ADVA[NCE] OF THEIR SCHEDULED ARRIVAL AS POSSIBLE.

THIS SUPERSEDED REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN DEPARTMENT PUBLICATION M-264, ["VISA] REQUIREMENTS OF FOREIGN GOVERNMENTS.["]

EXPIRATION DATE: INDEFINITE.

3) The state of Hawaii has not issued a vault or long-form certificate in almost 30 years. All the vault certificates you will see were issued in 1978 or before. The short-form is actually an abbreviated laser copy of the original. If he had been born out of the country, it would list the city of birth as Toronto, or Paris. The copy provided by the state lists Obama’s place of birth as Honolulu on the island of Oahu. NOBODY can get a copy of the vault certificate. The state does not issue it any longer. How hard is that to understand?

4) On November 3, the Chicago Tribune’s Swamp reported that Ms. Okubo (Health Department Spokeswoman, per the Press Release) confirmed in both e-mail and telephone interviews that Obama was BORN IN HAWAII:

“Seeking to squelch persistent rumors that Sen. Barack Obama isn’t eligible to become president because he allegedly was born outside the United States, a Hawaiian official has confirmed she has “personally seen and verified” that the state “has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate” – meaning Obama was born in the Aloha state, and is therefore an American citizen.

[Quote from Official News Release, already quoted above.]

Does this mean Obama was born in Hawaii?

“YES,” said Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo, in both email and telephone interviews with the Tribune. “That’s what Dr. Fukino is saying.”

Those of you who actually believe that Obama was not born in Hawaii, you really need to get a life.

Can’t you tell when the paper is giving disinformation.

Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American
Independent Party

“merry Says:
Obama’s published birth record says his father’s race is African???? Since when is African a race?”

Hawaii allows the parents to self-identify. Obama Sr. thought of himself as an African (Kenya was not an independent country then).

Here’s a Hawaiian BC where the father self-identifies as an “American”:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bryajw/HardestyPhotos/Keala%20Hardesty%20birth%20certificate.jpg

@35: Congress obviously had no concerns about Obama’s eligibility, thus no need for an official ruling.

As for the Watergate analogy that’s ridiculous. The investigators there did actual investigation and came up with new verifiable facts on practically a daily basis. You birthers haven’t come up with a single FACT, you just endlessly repeat the same arguments on the same web sites. I could take the postings from a year ago and those from today and not find a single piece of new information.

Here is what you would need to get serious people to listen:

1. A witness under oath with a professional translator if not in English swearing to having personally attended the birth of Barack Obama, JR (Not SR) in Kenya.

2. Some record to indicate that his mother entered the US from abroad around the time of the birth.

Otherwise you have nothing to make any serious person doubt the Hawaiian birth certificate. Conjecture and speculation won’t do it, only verifiable facts.

“Congress did their job. They made a determination that he was born in Hawaii, based on the fact that his birth certificate states Place of Birth – Honolulu. “

They never made such determination.

You said earlier something to the effect, that by not objecting at the joint session they passively sanctioned the eligibility. That would have logic, except, again, Congress can not overrule the Constitution, actively or like in this case passively either. Again, if he is not “natural born” a Constitutional Amendment is required to make him legal.

It may come to that and if that happens we will all dutifully accept it. Again, I, like Orly defending the Constitution. It has nothing to do with like or dislike anyone.

RE: Your assertion “…based on the fact that his birth certificate states Place of Birth – Honolulu”.

Please note that Hawaii, statute 338, allows foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to get a Hawaiian birth certificate. The Vault Birth Certificate is showing the place of birth and the hospital, the COLB does not You must know that becase it seems you are better informed on the facts than most people. Also, most of the lawsuits cite that clause.

On most issues we are just going in circles. I was hoping for an objective discussion based on facts and law, so I stop here.

However, just one more thing, please explain, why is better for the Democratic Party to spend big money in legal costs and fuel speculation by the tooth-and-nail protection of the secret, than releasing the Vault Certificate?

It will cost $12, and all “conspiracy theories” and lawsuits will be immediately stopped. Again, I never said he that he was not born in Hawaii. We don’t know because he is protecting it as a secret of a private person, whereas he is a public figure. In addition to the Constitutional issue, Americans have a moral right to know who their president is.

As to the judges – passing the buck to SCOTUS and making plaintiffs pay for costs, in my opinion, will not stop this movement. It will make law abiding citizens more upset and the Watergate type of slow but sure progression is likely to continue. Water dripping day by day wears the hardest rock away.

McCain released all his records immediately and voluntarily when he was asked. What’s the big deal anyway? Just release it and the debate will stop.

“Acar also told the informant that he could use computers to create fake D.C. birth certificates.”

Yusuf Acar was charged with bribery, conspiracy, money laundering and conflict of interest.

Do a news search of his name in conjunction with President Obama’s man, Vivek Kundra.