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	<title>Comments on: McCain Campaign Received Erroneous Information on Legality of Nominating Lieberman for Vice-President</title>
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		<title>By: Mark Seidenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Seidenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 03:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To John G.

richard is correct in the above point.  Also the
Collective Naturalization Act of August 4, 1937
provided form children born in the Canal Zone under
one subsection and children born in the Republic of
Panama including the City of Colon in another subsection.  John Sidney McCain was born in the
Republic of Panama out of wedlock, therefore he could not be a United States Citizen under that
act even though his mother was a United States
Citizen, because she was not employed by either
the United States Government nor the Panama Railroad Company at the time which John S. McCain III was born on August 29, 1936.

John S. McCain is not a citizen of the United States, he was never naturialized.  In circa
December, 1936 when he arrived in the United
States he was not admitted.  Therefore he is an
undocumented alien.

Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To John G.</p>
<p>richard is correct in the above point.  Also the<br />
Collective Naturalization Act of August 4, 1937<br />
provided form children born in the Canal Zone under<br />
one subsection and children born in the Republic of<br />
Panama including the City of Colon in another subsection.  John Sidney McCain was born in the<br />
Republic of Panama out of wedlock, therefore he could not be a United States Citizen under that<br />
act even though his mother was a United States<br />
Citizen, because she was not employed by either<br />
the United States Government nor the Panama Railroad Company at the time which John S. McCain III was born on August 29, 1936.</p>
<p>John S. McCain is not a citizen of the United States, he was never naturialized.  In circa<br />
December, 1936 when he arrived in the United<br />
States he was not admitted.  Therefore he is an<br />
undocumented alien.</p>
<p>Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American<br />
Independent Party</p>
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		<title>By: richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Seidenberg keeps trying to get across the point that John McCain wasn&#039;t born in the Canal Zone.  Colon was never in the Canal Zone.  Although Colon sits right on the Canal at the Atlantic end, the boundary was always drawn to exclude Colon from the zone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Seidenberg keeps trying to get across the point that John McCain wasn&#8217;t born in the Canal Zone.  Colon was never in the Canal Zone.  Although Colon sits right on the Canal at the Atlantic end, the boundary was always drawn to exclude Colon from the zone.</p>
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		<title>By: James G</title>
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		<dc:creator>James G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Mark

I fail to see anything in your post that contradicts Matt&#039;s post.

His mother was a US citizen. If you were born in the Canal zone in 1936 to a US citizen mother, you too are a US citizen no matter the marital status of your mother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Mark</p>
<p>I fail to see anything in your post that contradicts Matt&#8217;s post.</p>
<p>His mother was a US citizen. If you were born in the Canal zone in 1936 to a US citizen mother, you too are a US citizen no matter the marital status of your mother.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Seidenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Seidenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Matt

First thank you for posting the link to the above section of the United States Code.  However, the
subsection of the code you need to read is not subsection 1403a, but subsection 1403b (also in the
link at the above post # 13.  This is the third edition of that enactment.  In the first edition
the effective date was different, viz., August 4,
1937 (25 days before John S. McCain turned one year
of age).  The code section that was effective for 
John S. McCain III was 8 USCA 5e (found in the pocket part in the volume covering title 8 &amp; 9 in
either the 1938, 1939, or 1940 printings.

Again the Colon Hospital where Roberta McCain nee
Wright gave birth to John S. McCain III out of wedlock on August 29, 1936, was located in the
Republic of Panama and not in the Canal Zone.

Roberta Wright did not marry John S. McCain II at a bar in TJ, Baja California as stated in Mr. McCain&#039;s book Faith Of My Fathers, because all 
marriages in Baja California must take place in
an office of the Civil Registry.  Since, there
was no lawful marriage between Roberta Wright
and John S. McCain II prior to the birth on
August 29, 1936 of John S. McCain III, under the
terms of the 1930 Convention on Nationality, which
became effective as United States Law early in 1937, only citizenship rights can flow from his
mother.  Robert McCain nee Wright was not employed
by either the United States Government nor the Panama Railroad Company.  Therefore, John S. McCain III was not covered by that Collective
Naturalization Act of August 4, 1937.  He was 
an alien who was not admitted on his arrival in
the United States circa December, 1936.  Therefore,
he is not a citizen of the United States.

Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American
Independent Party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Matt</p>
<p>First thank you for posting the link to the above section of the United States Code.  However, the<br />
subsection of the code you need to read is not subsection 1403a, but subsection 1403b (also in the<br />
link at the above post # 13.  This is the third edition of that enactment.  In the first edition<br />
the effective date was different, viz., August 4,<br />
1937 (25 days before John S. McCain turned one year<br />
of age).  The code section that was effective for<br />
John S. McCain III was 8 USCA 5e (found in the pocket part in the volume covering title 8 &amp; 9 in<br />
either the 1938, 1939, or 1940 printings.</p>
<p>Again the Colon Hospital where Roberta McCain nee<br />
Wright gave birth to John S. McCain III out of wedlock on August 29, 1936, was located in the<br />
Republic of Panama and not in the Canal Zone.</p>
<p>Roberta Wright did not marry John S. McCain II at a bar in TJ, Baja California as stated in Mr. McCain&#8217;s book Faith Of My Fathers, because all<br />
marriages in Baja California must take place in<br />
an office of the Civil Registry.  Since, there<br />
was no lawful marriage between Roberta Wright<br />
and John S. McCain II prior to the birth on<br />
August 29, 1936 of John S. McCain III, under the<br />
terms of the 1930 Convention on Nationality, which<br />
became effective as United States Law early in 1937, only citizenship rights can flow from his<br />
mother.  Robert McCain nee Wright was not employed<br />
by either the United States Government nor the Panama Railroad Company.  Therefore, John S. McCain III was not covered by that Collective<br />
Naturalization Act of August 4, 1937.  He was<br />
an alien who was not admitted on his arrival in<br />
the United States circa December, 1936.  Therefore,<br />
he is not a citizen of the United States.</p>
<p>Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American<br />
Independent Party.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to burst all of your bubbles, but:

&quot;(a) Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States. &quot;

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1403.html

The law in plain text.  McCain is a citizen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to burst all of your bubbles, but:</p>
<p>&#8220;(a) Any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904, and whether before or after the effective date of this chapter, whose father or mother or both at the time of the birth of such person was or is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States. &#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1403.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1403.html</a></p>
<p>The law in plain text.  McCain is a citizen.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Seidenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Seidenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Richard Winger

Your point of presidential electors raises two additional problems in California. One relates
to Norma Torres introduction of AB 1326.  Her
bill will open the way for aliens (non United
States Citizens) to be elected as members of the
county central committees of the Democratic Party.
I thought the several state governments in these United States progressed from aliens electorial rights (ending circa 1924) to limiting the electorial process to citizens only.  Once the
last of the Indians of America got citizenship status there was no need to allow aliens to enter
the process.

In Keyes v. Bowen the issue of Ms. Huber came to light.  The congressional nominees did not comply
with the California Election Code by submitting the
names of the selected electors to the Sectretary of
State and the SOS put the listed names sent in by
Mr. Myers (employee of the Democratic Party)who admitted he made errors on several of the names
submitted in his e-mail to the Election Division.
With no checking if the 55 names were registered
to vote or if they were registered in the Democratic Party prior to the primary, Secretary
of State Bowen placed the names on the ballot
(document that could be viewed at the poles on election day).  Therefore electors voted who voted
Democratic elected a MS. Huber.  The only person
by that name on the voters roles in California was
dead for several years (on the roles in Humboldt
County).  

Looking back to last November, no more than two of
the total 55 presidential electors should have been
on the ballot (since only the State Chairman may have followed the California Election Code on notice to Secretary of State Bowen, but that is even a question).  If two were the only electors
the other 53 should have been elected by them on
election day out of a pool of electors present.
That did not happen. Secretary of State Bowen at
the suggestion of an employee of the Democratic
Party took a so called corrected filing of Presidental Electors after the November election
was over.  Therefore, how the electors voted in this state is of little to no concern to the Secretary of State, because she allowed a person not elected by the electors of California to sit and vote as if she was a presidential elector.

Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American
Independent Party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Richard Winger</p>
<p>Your point of presidential electors raises two additional problems in California. One relates<br />
to Norma Torres introduction of AB 1326.  Her<br />
bill will open the way for aliens (non United<br />
States Citizens) to be elected as members of the<br />
county central committees of the Democratic Party.<br />
I thought the several state governments in these United States progressed from aliens electorial rights (ending circa 1924) to limiting the electorial process to citizens only.  Once the<br />
last of the Indians of America got citizenship status there was no need to allow aliens to enter<br />
the process.</p>
<p>In Keyes v. Bowen the issue of Ms. Huber came to light.  The congressional nominees did not comply<br />
with the California Election Code by submitting the<br />
names of the selected electors to the Sectretary of<br />
State and the SOS put the listed names sent in by<br />
Mr. Myers (employee of the Democratic Party)who admitted he made errors on several of the names<br />
submitted in his e-mail to the Election Division.<br />
With no checking if the 55 names were registered<br />
to vote or if they were registered in the Democratic Party prior to the primary, Secretary<br />
of State Bowen placed the names on the ballot<br />
(document that could be viewed at the poles on election day).  Therefore electors voted who voted<br />
Democratic elected a MS. Huber.  The only person<br />
by that name on the voters roles in California was<br />
dead for several years (on the roles in Humboldt<br />
County).  </p>
<p>Looking back to last November, no more than two of<br />
the total 55 presidential electors should have been<br />
on the ballot (since only the State Chairman may have followed the California Election Code on notice to Secretary of State Bowen, but that is even a question).  If two were the only electors<br />
the other 53 should have been elected by them on<br />
election day out of a pool of electors present.<br />
That did not happen. Secretary of State Bowen at<br />
the suggestion of an employee of the Democratic<br />
Party took a so called corrected filing of Presidental Electors after the November election<br />
was over.  Therefore, how the electors voted in this state is of little to no concern to the Secretary of State, because she allowed a person not elected by the electors of California to sit and vote as if she was a presidential elector.</p>
<p>Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American<br />
Independent Party.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Seidenberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Seidenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO: Get Over Yourselves
Reply to comment #6.  First, John S. McCain may not
be a citizen, because I have no information that he
was not naturalized, but I can find no record of it.  At birth he was a natural born citizen of the Republic of Panama.  The person at the time of his birth that Roberta McCain nee Wright (McCain mom)
listed as her first son&#039;s father on the birth certificate was the John S. McCain II.  When John
McCain III retired from the US Navy he submitted
a copy of his birth certificate showing his birth at the Colon Hospital (which is not located in the
Panama Canal Zone, but directly in the Republic of
Panama).  That birth in the Republic of Panama has
never cause any concern to the US Navy or to the
Secretaries of State of Arizona, since McCain first
ran for the House of Representative.  The real issue is John S. McCain III may not lawfully be in
the United States Senate or ever was a commissioned
officer in the United States Navy, because his mom
did not get married at the Office of the Civil Registry in TJ of Baja California.  

As for the Vietnamese, they should not look beyond
his US Navy Uniform under international law.  I do
not know what relationship the Communist North of
Vietnam had with the Republic of Panama during the
time McCain was held prisoner there.  If anyone
has information on the status of Panama and the
Communist North of Vietnam please post here.

Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: Get Over Yourselves<br />
Reply to comment #6.  First, John S. McCain may not<br />
be a citizen, because I have no information that he<br />
was not naturalized, but I can find no record of it.  At birth he was a natural born citizen of the Republic of Panama.  The person at the time of his birth that Roberta McCain nee Wright (McCain mom)<br />
listed as her first son&#8217;s father on the birth certificate was the John S. McCain II.  When John<br />
McCain III retired from the US Navy he submitted<br />
a copy of his birth certificate showing his birth at the Colon Hospital (which is not located in the<br />
Panama Canal Zone, but directly in the Republic of<br />
Panama).  That birth in the Republic of Panama has<br />
never cause any concern to the US Navy or to the<br />
Secretaries of State of Arizona, since McCain first<br />
ran for the House of Representative.  The real issue is John S. McCain III may not lawfully be in<br />
the United States Senate or ever was a commissioned<br />
officer in the United States Navy, because his mom<br />
did not get married at the Office of the Civil Registry in TJ of Baja California.  </p>
<p>As for the Vietnamese, they should not look beyond<br />
his US Navy Uniform under international law.  I do<br />
not know what relationship the Communist North of<br />
Vietnam had with the Republic of Panama during the<br />
time McCain was held prisoner there.  If anyone<br />
has information on the status of Panama and the<br />
Communist North of Vietnam please post here.</p>
<p>Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Rankin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Rankin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the 2000 and 2008 presidential primaries, McCain never carried the Republican vote in a GOP primary until after he had clinched the 2008 nomination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the 2000 and 2008 presidential primaries, McCain never carried the Republican vote in a GOP primary until after he had clinched the 2008 nomination.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Witmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake Witmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 05:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@6 BTW: Getting tortured in a prison doesn&#039;t make someone right about anything.  In the case of John McCain, it didn&#039;t even teach him anything.  I recommend Matt Welch&#039;s book on the subject &quot;Myth of a Maverick&quot;.  It&#039;s 100% correct.  McCain is slime.  (Especially because he was a POW: Any POW that supports the US prison industry the way McCain does certainly lacks any form of integrity.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@6 BTW: Getting tortured in a prison doesn&#8217;t make someone right about anything.  In the case of John McCain, it didn&#8217;t even teach him anything.  I recommend Matt Welch&#8217;s book on the subject &#8220;Myth of a Maverick&#8221;.  It&#8217;s 100% correct.  McCain is slime.  (Especially because he was a POW: Any POW that supports the US prison industry the way McCain does certainly lacks any form of integrity.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Witmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake Witmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 05:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@5 and @7: The &quot;law&quot; only applies to the little people, not the political classes. See: http://marcstevens.net (I especially recommend &quot;Delusions&quot;, and Marc&#039;s book &quot;Adventures in Legal Land&quot;)

McCain is an obedient parasite at the highest level.  There is virtually no chance that he will ever be held accountable for any of his actions, or inconvenienced by the contradictions in any law. (Unless by random chance he encounters an Arizona lynch mob, during the coming inflationary crash.)  long before then, I expect he will have escaped the flaming mess he helped to make of our country, or insulated himself from its effects.

Thanks though, for pointing out one more hypocrisy on top of McCain&#039;s (and the Republican Party&#039;s) existing mountain of hypocrisy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@5 and @7: The &#8220;law&#8221; only applies to the little people, not the political classes. See: <a href="http://marcstevens.net" rel="nofollow">http://marcstevens.net</a> (I especially recommend &#8220;Delusions&#8221;, and Marc&#8217;s book &#8220;Adventures in Legal Land&#8221;)</p>
<p>McCain is an obedient parasite at the highest level.  There is virtually no chance that he will ever be held accountable for any of his actions, or inconvenienced by the contradictions in any law. (Unless by random chance he encounters an Arizona lynch mob, during the coming inflationary crash.)  long before then, I expect he will have escaped the flaming mess he helped to make of our country, or insulated himself from its effects.</p>
<p>Thanks though, for pointing out one more hypocrisy on top of McCain&#8217;s (and the Republican Party&#8217;s) existing mountain of hypocrisy.</p>
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