On May 28, the California Assembly Appropriations Committee passed AB 1121, which lets 10 non-charter cities or counties use Instant Runoff Voting for their own elections.
But how about larger more regional districts where let’s say the top 5 vote getters win? Any minor party with something on the ball should be able to come in 4th or 5th and win.
(1) We have a lot of executive office elections in this country, and we need IRV for those regardless of how we elect our legislatures.
(2) Your suggestion of multi-seat districts in which the top N vote getters win is actually worse than plurality elections in single-member districts. What happens is that the largest relatively cohesive block of voters gets all the seats, and the rest of the voters risk getting nothing. In order to get proportional results, you need ranked ballots — just like IRV except to fill several seats. This is called “choice voting” in the U.S. and the “single transferable vote” everywhere else. AB 1121 allows choice voting for at large city councils (up to 10 for a 10 year period).
The state of South Australia uses some type of IRV in their upper house. They have six different political parties represented. The two major parties have 36% each of the chamber’s seats. Power is divided. No one-party dictatorships.
May 28th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
IRV – NO equal treatment of ALL second choice votes.
P.R. and A.V. NOW — regardless of the super math defective IRV.
May 29th, 2009 at 9:08 am
P.R. would be great, not IRV.
But how about larger more regional districts where let’s say the top 5 vote getters win? Any minor party with something on the ball should be able to come in 4th or 5th and win.
May 29th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Anything except IRV.
May 29th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Gary,
Yes, PR is the most important goal. But:
(1) We have a lot of executive office elections in this country, and we need IRV for those regardless of how we elect our legislatures.
(2) Your suggestion of multi-seat districts in which the top N vote getters win is actually worse than plurality elections in single-member districts. What happens is that the largest relatively cohesive block of voters gets all the seats, and the rest of the voters risk getting nothing. In order to get proportional results, you need ranked ballots — just like IRV except to fill several seats. This is called “choice voting” in the U.S. and the “single transferable vote” everywhere else. AB 1121 allows choice voting for at large city councils (up to 10 for a 10 year period).
May 29th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Bob,
I am with you. Something must be done. PR is easier to explain to people. Heck, IRV makes my head spin.
click on this link or copy & paste
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Australian_Legislative_Council
The state of South Australia uses some type of IRV in their upper house. They have six different political parties represented. The two major parties have 36% each of the chamber’s seats. Power is divided. No one-party dictatorships.