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	<title>Comments on: California IRV Bill Advances</title>
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		<title>By: Gary Julian</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2009/05/28/california-irv-bill-advances-2/comment-page-1/#comment-724166</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 22:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

I am with you.  Something must be done.  PR is easier to explain to people. Heck, IRV makes my head spin.

click on this link or copy &amp; paste

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Australian_Legislative_Council

The state of South Australia uses some type of IRV in their upper house.  They have six different political parties represented.  The two major parties have 36% each of the chamber&#039;s seats.  Power is divided.  No one-party dictatorships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>I am with you.  Something must be done.  PR is easier to explain to people. Heck, IRV makes my head spin.</p>
<p>click on this link or copy &amp; paste</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Australian_Legislative_Council" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Australian_Legislative_Council</a></p>
<p>The state of South Australia uses some type of IRV in their upper house.  They have six different political parties represented.  The two major parties have 36% each of the chamber&#8217;s seats.  Power is divided.  No one-party dictatorships.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 19:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary,

Yes, PR is the most important goal. But:

(1) We have a lot of executive office elections in this country, and we need IRV for those regardless of how we elect our legislatures.

(2) Your suggestion of multi-seat districts in which the top N vote getters win is actually worse than plurality elections in single-member districts. What happens is that the largest relatively cohesive block of voters gets all the seats, and the rest of the voters risk getting nothing. In order to get proportional results, you need ranked ballots -- just like IRV except to fill several seats. This is called &quot;choice voting&quot; in the U.S. and the &quot;single transferable vote&quot; everywhere else. AB 1121 allows choice voting for at large city councils (up to 10 for a 10 year period).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary,</p>
<p>Yes, PR is the most important goal. But:</p>
<p>(1) We have a lot of executive office elections in this country, and we need IRV for those regardless of how we elect our legislatures.</p>
<p>(2) Your suggestion of multi-seat districts in which the top N vote getters win is actually worse than plurality elections in single-member districts. What happens is that the largest relatively cohesive block of voters gets all the seats, and the rest of the voters risk getting nothing. In order to get proportional results, you need ranked ballots &#8212; just like IRV except to fill several seats. This is called &#8220;choice voting&#8221; in the U.S. and the &#8220;single transferable vote&#8221; everywhere else. AB 1121 allows choice voting for at large city councils (up to 10 for a 10 year period).</p>
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		<title>By: Third Party Revolution</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2009/05/28/california-irv-bill-advances-2/comment-page-1/#comment-724119</link>
		<dc:creator>Third Party Revolution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 19:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anything except IRV.</description>
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		<title>By: Gary Julian</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2009/05/28/california-irv-bill-advances-2/comment-page-1/#comment-724083</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 17:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.R. would be great, not IRV.

But how about larger more regional districts where let&#039;s say the top 5 vote getters win?  Any minor party with something on the ball should be able to come in 4th or 5th and win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.R. would be great, not IRV.</p>
<p>But how about larger more regional districts where let&#8217;s say the top 5 vote getters win?  Any minor party with something on the ball should be able to come in 4th or 5th and win.</p>
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		<title>By: Demo Rep</title>
		<link>http://www.ballot-access.org/2009/05/28/california-irv-bill-advances-2/comment-page-1/#comment-723891</link>
		<dc:creator>Demo Rep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 04:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IRV - NO equal treatment of ALL second choice votes.

P.R. and A.V. NOW -- regardless of the super math defective IRV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IRV &#8211; NO equal treatment of ALL second choice votes.</p>
<p>P.R. and A.V. NOW &#8212; regardless of the super math defective IRV.</p>
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