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	<title>Comments on: North Carolina State Court of Appeals Upholds 2% Petition for New Parties</title>
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		<title>By: Kai Schwandes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kai Schwandes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The North Carolina Green Party is waiting on their attorneys advise on how to pursue the issue best. The feeling among Greens is to appeal the ruling.

Judge Calabria’s partial dissent in this ruling is a positive step in the right direction. 

Kai Schwandes
North Carolina
Member Green National Committee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The North Carolina Green Party is waiting on their attorneys advise on how to pursue the issue best. The feeling among Greens is to appeal the ruling.</p>
<p>Judge Calabria’s partial dissent in this ruling is a positive step in the right direction. </p>
<p>Kai Schwandes<br />
North Carolina<br />
Member Green National Committee</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Riley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#14 Probably more relevant that Texas law is to the situation in North Carolina.  One problem in North Carolina was that a party would qualify statewide for a general election, lose its qualification by not getting enough votes.  Even though it might regain its qualification for the next general election, it could not run candidates in subsequent local elections.

In Texas, party affiliation only applies to the nominating process in even numbered years, and Texas has non-partisan local elections.  Parties do not nominate candidates for special elections.  So even if a party does not maintain its qualified status, it can qualify before the next time that it is relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#14 Probably more relevant that Texas law is to the situation in North Carolina.  One problem in North Carolina was that a party would qualify statewide for a general election, lose its qualification by not getting enough votes.  Even though it might regain its qualification for the next general election, it could not run candidates in subsequent local elections.</p>
<p>In Texas, party affiliation only applies to the nominating process in even numbered years, and Texas has non-partisan local elections.  Parties do not nominate candidates for special elections.  So even if a party does not maintain its qualified status, it can qualify before the next time that it is relevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom McLaughlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom McLaughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure if this is relevant: Reform Party of PA qualified as a county minor party in 2002 in Columbia, Carbon and Monroe counties under the Pennsylvania Election Code as a result of my vote count in the 11th Congressional Race.  PA allows County Minor Party qualification based upon a vote count equal to 5% of the highest vote getter. (statewide is 2%) but, like statewide ballot access, county ballot access does not change much. This did allow us to field a State Representative candidate in a Special Election without petitioning and did set-up the cross-filing of Zulick for county Judge, while not being qualified state-wide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure if this is relevant: Reform Party of PA qualified as a county minor party in 2002 in Columbia, Carbon and Monroe counties under the Pennsylvania Election Code as a result of my vote count in the 11th Congressional Race.  PA allows County Minor Party qualification based upon a vote count equal to 5% of the highest vote getter. (statewide is 2%) but, like statewide ballot access, county ballot access does not change much. This did allow us to field a State Representative candidate in a Special Election without petitioning and did set-up the cross-filing of Zulick for county Judge, while not being qualified state-wide.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Schulz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Schulz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 04:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.aoc.state.nc.us/www/public/coa/opinions/2009/pdf/081413-1.pdf

The above document is Judge Calabria&#039;s partial dissent in this ruling. Very interesting reading. I agree the state should not infringe upon the rights of its voters.</description>
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<p>The above document is Judge Calabria&#8217;s partial dissent in this ruling. Very interesting reading. I agree the state should not infringe upon the rights of its voters.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregg Jocoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gregg Jocoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 03:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheesh...Guess Milnes has a cousin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheesh&#8230;Guess Milnes has a cousin.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Riley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NC Court of Appeals decision says, &quot;nevertheless, the Fourth Circuit ultimately upheld North Carolina’s statewide recognition and retention requirements for political parties——which were then 2% and 10%, respectively——as constitutional under the Supreme Court’s decision in American Party of Texas v. White.&quot;

Their decision does not state that the Supreme Court upheld all of Texas&#039;s ballot access laws.  

In fact they (the NC Court of Appeals) do not even characterize the meaning of American Party of Texas v. White, but rather characterize the decision of the Fourth Circuit in &lt;i&gt;McLaughlin 65 F.3d&lt;/i&gt; which stated, &quot;similarly, in American Party of Texas v. White, 415 U.S. 767, 94 S.Ct. 1296, 39 L.Ed.2d 744 (1974), the Court upheld a complicated Texas ballot access scheme that, in much-simplified essence, permitted political parties to gain initial access to the ballot by securing the signatures of persons numbering 1% of the total votes cast in the prior gubernatorial election, but required such parties to poll at least 2% of the votes cast in the gubernatorial election to retain their ballot access.&quot;

It would have been totally extraneous and irrelevant to mention what the Supreme Court had ruled with regard to the absentee ballots, or certain procedural matters with regard to petitions, or the qualification standards for independent presidential candidates.

Can &lt;i&gt;McLaughlin&lt;/i&gt; be interpreted in any other way than to mean, &quot;The Supreme Court in American Party of Texas v. White upheld Texas percentage standards roughly equivalent to those in North Carolina.&quot;?

The NC Court of Appeals is also referring to &lt;i&gt;McLaughlin&lt;/i&gt; with regard to local parties.  It appears that the 4th Circuit may not have fully understood the Texas law with regard to countywide parties in Texas - but see footnote 10 of &lt;i&gt;McLaughlin&lt;/i&gt;.

But given that statewide parties may also nominate county and precinct officers, it is not as if statewide and countywide parties operate in separate domains.  The elections where they are relevant occur at the same time, and participation in the nominating activities of a countywide party precludes participation in the activities of a statewide party and vice versa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NC Court of Appeals decision says, &#8220;nevertheless, the Fourth Circuit ultimately upheld North Carolina’s statewide recognition and retention requirements for political parties——which were then 2% and 10%, respectively——as constitutional under the Supreme Court’s decision in American Party of Texas v. White.&#8221;</p>
<p>Their decision does not state that the Supreme Court upheld all of Texas&#8217;s ballot access laws.  </p>
<p>In fact they (the NC Court of Appeals) do not even characterize the meaning of American Party of Texas v. White, but rather characterize the decision of the Fourth Circuit in <i>McLaughlin 65 F.3d</i> which stated, &#8220;similarly, in American Party of Texas v. White, 415 U.S. 767, 94 S.Ct. 1296, 39 L.Ed.2d 744 (1974), the Court upheld a complicated Texas ballot access scheme that, in much-simplified essence, permitted political parties to gain initial access to the ballot by securing the signatures of persons numbering 1% of the total votes cast in the prior gubernatorial election, but required such parties to poll at least 2% of the votes cast in the gubernatorial election to retain their ballot access.&#8221;</p>
<p>It would have been totally extraneous and irrelevant to mention what the Supreme Court had ruled with regard to the absentee ballots, or certain procedural matters with regard to petitions, or the qualification standards for independent presidential candidates.</p>
<p>Can <i>McLaughlin</i> be interpreted in any other way than to mean, &#8220;The Supreme Court in American Party of Texas v. White upheld Texas percentage standards roughly equivalent to those in North Carolina.&#8221;?</p>
<p>The NC Court of Appeals is also referring to <i>McLaughlin</i> with regard to local parties.  It appears that the 4th Circuit may not have fully understood the Texas law with regard to countywide parties in Texas &#8211; but see footnote 10 of <i>McLaughlin</i>.</p>
<p>But given that statewide parties may also nominate county and precinct officers, it is not as if statewide and countywide parties operate in separate domains.  The elections where they are relevant occur at the same time, and participation in the nominating activities of a countywide party precludes participation in the activities of a statewide party and vice versa.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Riley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which counties and years did the Reform Party qualify as a countywide party in Texas?  The RUP may or may not have qualified in Hidalgo County in 1970, due to cross-participation in statewide party activities.  In any event it qualified as a statewide party in 1972.

How is my note misleading?  I stated that attendance counts from precinct conventions could be supplemented by petition.  Besides why wouldn&#039;t a political party organizing to make nominations, not prefer that voters attend the conventions where the nominations are made.  It is not like those voters would be doing anything else such as voting in the primary or attending a Libertarian or Green party convention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which counties and years did the Reform Party qualify as a countywide party in Texas?  The RUP may or may not have qualified in Hidalgo County in 1970, due to cross-participation in statewide party activities.  In any event it qualified as a statewide party in 1972.</p>
<p>How is my note misleading?  I stated that attendance counts from precinct conventions could be supplemented by petition.  Besides why wouldn&#8217;t a political party organizing to make nominations, not prefer that voters attend the conventions where the nominations are made.  It is not like those voters would be doing anything else such as voting in the primary or attending a Libertarian or Green party convention.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>American Party of Texas v White did not uphold all of Texas&#039; ballot access laws.  The U.S. Supreme Court itself, in 1976, said that Texas&#039; failure to allow independent presidential candidates was unconstitutional.  Also the 5th circuit in 1988 struck down Texas election laws that said a voter&#039;s registration affidavit number must be included on petitions for minor parties.  Later, the 5th circuit made the same ruling for independent candidates, and U.S. District Courts then struck down the voter registration affidavit number requirement for local initiative petitions and for petitions for primary ballot access.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>American Party of Texas v White did not uphold all of Texas&#8217; ballot access laws.  The U.S. Supreme Court itself, in 1976, said that Texas&#8217; failure to allow independent presidential candidates was unconstitutional.  Also the 5th circuit in 1988 struck down Texas election laws that said a voter&#8217;s registration affidavit number must be included on petitions for minor parties.  Later, the 5th circuit made the same ruling for independent candidates, and U.S. District Courts then struck down the voter registration affidavit number requirement for local initiative petitions and for petitions for primary ballot access.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Riley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How did the US Supreme Court in &lt;i&gt;American Party of Texas vs. White&lt;/i&gt; fail to uphold Texas&#039;s ballot access law?

The only part of the decision that overturned Texas&#039;s law was where a party that had gained ballot access was not included on all the ballots.  That is more than a little irrelevant to the North Carolina case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How did the US Supreme Court in <i>American Party of Texas vs. White</i> fail to uphold Texas&#8217;s ballot access law?</p>
<p>The only part of the decision that overturned Texas&#8217;s law was where a party that had gained ballot access was not included on all the ballots.  That is more than a little irrelevant to the North Carolina case.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Texas provision for county parties has been used in recent years by the Reform Party, and was used by La Raza Unida Party in 1970 in Hidalgo County.

#6 is misleading because it implies that county parties need a big attendance at meetings.  They do not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Texas provision for county parties has been used in recent years by the Reform Party, and was used by La Raza Unida Party in 1970 in Hidalgo County.</p>
<p>#6 is misleading because it implies that county parties need a big attendance at meetings.  They do not.</p>
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