As to your chances of overturning the Hawaiian certification:

The State of Hawaii has issued a Birth Certificate that meets all of the requirements of CFR 22.51.42. That Birth Certificate is certified by the State of Hawaii, and is considered proven by the Laws of the United States. It will be up to anyone who challenges its authenticity to prove, by a preponderance of the evidence, that the Birth Certificate is actually invalid. The Certification of Live Birth provided by Obama is LEGAL under Federal law for passports, drivers licenses, running for office, etc.

There is a very high standard of proof that must be met in order to override the Constitutional ‘Full Faith and Credit’ standard granted to the State of Hawaii in this matter. That standard of proof would require that the complainant show proof that there was an actual fraud committed by the State of Hawaii in the certification of that Birth Certificate, or that the certificate itself was fraudulent. Either way, the burden of proof rests with the complainant. Merely making accusations that this may have happened is not sufficient.

This would be true even if a foreign power were to present a Birth Certificate that was claimed to show birth in another country. Under the standard of ‘Full Faith and Credit’ that is specifically provided for in the Constitution, the public records of the State of Hawaii would take precedence over the public records of any foreign power. In order to meet the required burden of proof, the foreign record would not only have to be proven as true, but also the State of Hawaii’s record would have to be proven separately as false.

GAME OVER.

In a report on August 3, 2009, The Washington Independent quoted a Kenyan Embassy official:

Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday. “His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.”…

Chessoni didn’t understand what Taitz was talking about or what her discovery (the gift of an “anonymous source” who’s “afraid for his life”) was supposed to prove. He showed the image [fake Kenyan birth certificate] to other embassy employees, who rolled their eyes….

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”. –Albert Einstein

This a waste of your own time as much as anybody’s, Orly. Hopefully you’ll realize that sooner rather than later.

The quotation you show does not refer to Natural Born. The words Natural Born do not appear in it at all.

He said: This amendment which I have offered is simply
declaratory of what I regard as the law of the
land already, that every person born within the
limits of the United States, and subject to their
jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and
national law a citizen of the United States.
This will not, of course, include persons born
in the United States who are foreigners, aliens,
who belong to the families of embassadors or
foreign ministers accredited to the Govern-
of the United States, but will include
every other class of persons.

Moreover, it is apparently garbled. It says that every person born in the USA is a citizen. But then it says that this does not include foreigners. Yet he could not mean that the children of foreigners are excluded from being citizens if they are born in the USA.

It is true that the children of diplomats are excluded from being citizens, but not the children of foreigners.

More important, this is the view of ONE person. The decision in the Kim Wong Ark case reflected the view of six justices in a six-to-two ruling, by far the majority. And it said that all children born in the USA are Natural Born.

Here is what it said:

“It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.”

NOTE that it said EVERY child born in England of alien parents was Natural Born (except for the children of diplomats). Note that it said that this rule continued in the Colonies and in the United States.

It says that every child born in the USA is Natural Born. What does Natural Born mean? The original meaning is simply “born in the USA.” To this we added some special situations, such as a child born abroad of two US parents, but we never eliminated the original definition which was simply born in the USA.

Various other 1866 Senators agreed with Senator Howard.

Various Democrats tried to say something about American Indian tribal members in 1866.

Response from Republican Senators — Indians are internal foreign persons not *totally* subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S.A. regime.

ALL American Indians were NOT naturalized by an Act of the Congress until about 1923.

Of course in this nonstop New Age of party hack extremist leftwing / rightwing expedient politics it is inconceivable in party hack so-called brains that a top party hack just might NOT be legally QUALIFIEd to hold a public office.

Sorry – even an election does NOT make an UNQUALIFIED person suddenly a QUALIFIED person to hold a public office.

On to the appellate courts — where brain power is a bit more than in the lower brain dead party hack courts.

“Those born in the United
States are uncontroversially natural born citizens.”

From a Senate hearing October 5, 2004

Statement of Senator Orrin G. Hatch-
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born in the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.”

Statement of Senator Don Nickels-
“It is clear that a child born within the physical borders of the United States and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States is eligible to run for President.”

Clear, clear, uncontroversial. Nuff said.

These birther arguments are simply a waste of time by people who have no lives. I’m sure they will continue making these pointless arguments well into Obama’s second term. They will have no more effect then they have so far. The world has moved on to actual discussion of issues rather than a rehashing of the 2008 election, just as baseball has moved on to play the 2009 World Series, rather than attempting to replay 2008.