Comments on: American Independent Party Primary Contests Will Influence Relationship with Constitution Party

By: Allen

Allen — Tue, 23 Mar 2010 05:24:30 +0000

The problem I’m having is that people throw around all these big numbers for people who are registered in the AIP. At one point someone mentioned over 100,000 people in something I’ve read. If those 1000,000 people support one particular party, like the CP, it seems to me that it would take some time to collect the needed signatures, but if you know who is supporting your party and you have the voting lists (name address city)from the state, that would be easier then asking people on the street to sign a petition. I’m not sure but am I missing something? I image the debate will continue.

By: Mark Seidenberg

Mark Seidenberg — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:03:45 +0000

To Allen as a follow-up to my post. Don Grundmann is incorrect. It does not cost anything to form a political body in California. The question should be
“How does one make a Political Body a Political Party?
That is where the time and money comes into play.

Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party

By: Don Grundmann

Don Grundmann — Sun, 21 Mar 2010 19:38:26 +0000

Allen of post # 11 – To start a new party in California takes approximately $1,000,000. That is why moral and literal criminals like Mark Seidenberg, Mark Robinson, and Ed Noonan ( all working for Alan Keyes ); all too lazy and too stupid to create their own party: have temporarily hijacked the AIP from the CP. In effect their crime was Grand Theft which they accomplished by criminal actions inclusive of deliberately filing false documents with the Secretary of State office. The mass majority of the AIP ( 99%+ ) support the non-corruption faction of the party represented by Jim King as Chairman and myself as Vice-Chairman. The corruption faction of Robinson, Seidenberg, and Noonan is extremely small but as they are Republican moles it is Republican Party money which pays for the lawyers which to this moment keep them in their phony status. As documented at TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com Seidenberg is an ultra corrupt sociopathic liar. He is a Republican Party mole whose purpose is to destroy the 3rd party conservative movement in our nation. He is a traitor not just to the AIP but to the nation as a whole. His task is to thwart the rise of American patriots in their fight against the elite monied powers who are destroying our nation and working to assimilate us into the ” New World Order.” He; along with Mark Robinson, Ed Noonan, Alan Keyes, and Keyes lieutenant Tom Hoefling; is a supporter of and agent for the New World Order forces working on multiple fronts to eliminate our freedoms forever. Cicero wrote of him thousands of years ago – â€œA nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the galleys, heard in the very hall of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor- he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and wears their face and their garment, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation – he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city – he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to be feared.â€– Cicero, 42 B.C.E. The evil which now manifests as Mark Seidenberg has plaqued humanity through the centuries. It is the enemy of God and humanity.

Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

By: Mark Seidenberg

Mark Seidenberg — Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:46:34 +0000

Reply to Allen at post # 11. You are correct! There numbers are very small. Also the process is very simple.
It can be found in the California Election Code starting
with section 5000. However, Ann E. Thomas make a major
error in the process on June 28, 2008 that did not comply with Election Code section 5001, so if they applied to the Secretary of State it would have been
rejected.
Note THREE DATES DON Grundmann makes a hint that the
events of June 28 – 29, 2008 in Los Angeles, might of
happened before on June 6, 2008 & June 27, 2008. Bottom
line here is that Anne E. Thompson may not have a clue
on how to form a new party in California.

Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party.

By: Mark Seidenberg

Mark Seidenberg — Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:15:42 +0000

To: Richard Winger,

Only some of internal rules of the American Independent Party are in the Election Code. We at AIP have rules
in the Government Code; Code of Regulations; By-Laws;
Rules by Resolutions; Other Committee Rules: etc.

As for the hearing in Fairfield, CA on March 26, 2010
it will be in Department 2, before Judge Harrison at
9:00 a.m. I filed a friend of the court brief on the
subject of the Brewtown lawyer that King hired is not
a member of the California Bar. Therefore he is UPL
(Unauthorized practise of law) which is a crime and
contempt of court in California. See the B & P sections
6125, 6126, & 6127.

Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American
Independent Party.

By: Mark Seidenberg

Mark Seidenberg — Sat, 20 Mar 2010 16:46:59 +0000

TO: Gary Odem,

This is a refutation to your statement in post #14, viz., “The vast majority of the AIP activists wish to remain with the CP”. First, the American Independent Party is not affliated with the Constitution Party. The
AIP State Central Committee affiliated with the America’s
Independent Party of Fenton, Michigan on June 27, 2008.
As of January 5, 2010, the number of electors in the AIP
was 382,380. By today it is several thousand higher.
Question: How many persons from California are affliated
with the CP in addition to Larry Breazeale? Membership
in the CP could be a gronds for removal from the AIP State Central Committee. The last time I check in Orange County, CA only 5 persons gave Constitution Party as their party affliation on their registration
to vote form. Where is this “vast majority”?

You further state the “officers of the state party” are “for stated term of their office only”. To bad James King did not agree with you on that point. In KING v. BOWEN in 2008, King took the view that Chairman
Edward Noonan was not elected to a full two year term
on September 3, 2006. He also took the view that the
city of Rancho Cordova was not in Sacramento. The
California Election Code requires all conventions and
the organizing meeting of the State Central Committee
for the American Independent Party be in Sacramento.
King limited his view that Sacramento was only its city
limits. My view is that it includes the county limits.
What is your view on the limits of Sacramento? Reason,
after talking with the leadership of Sacramento County
AIP (host county)they do not want to limit their search
for a convention site to just the city limits.

I am thinking of doing a mailing to the entire list of
AIP Electors in that part of Sacramento County, external
of the Sacramento City limits, explaining to those voters what James King belief is on the subject of excluding territory beyond the city limits of Sacramento
(but within the County limits of Sacramento} just prior
to the November, 2010 election cycle. There are many laws and regulations in California that make reference to the term “Sacramento” without stating it is the city or county.

I recall only one issue on “flagging” and that only related to the Los Angeles County Registrar of Voters as it related to Chelene Nightingale. She was “flagged”
by the Los Angeles County Registrar of Voters because
when she took out her signatures in lieu petition in
Los Angeles County she was not in the party for the full
year.

We have not finished the review of the signatures in lieu for Nightingale in all the counties they were collected in. For example John Baldwin turned in 14
signatures for Chelene Nightingale in San Bernadino
County. Two of those we caught and were rejected.
This lowered after first review the by two, down to the
number 12. Yet John Baldwin claimed on 4 of the remaining 12 that he started collection signatures
on January 1, 2010. This could reduce the number by
4 and lower the number down to 8 signatures. On one of
the remaining signatures the start of San Bernadino was
written and then crossed out with the city of Victorville in its place. That could reduce the number
down to 7. Bottom line even her campaign manager can
not collect signature correctly. Nightingale was not clearly quilified all along. She joined the party in 2009. One has to be in the party for one year according
to the California Election Code. She was not at the time she took out her signature in lieu. That was why
the Register of Votes placed a flag on he master form for signature in lieu. After the year ended they removed the flag.

There is one thing we both agree on is Robert Lauten and
Diane Templin. I voted for Diane Templin when I was still a Republican. I signed the signatures in lieu
petition from Robert Lauten race for Treasurer.

The bottom line is the American Independent Party has
had no connection with the Constitution Party since
June 27, 2008, when the State Central Committee of the
American Independent Party voted its national affliation as the America’s Independent Party of Fenton, Michigan.

I only do posts in my own name.

Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party; Chairman, Orange County Central Committee of the American Independent Party; Executive Committeeman, America’s Independent Party (national
affliate of the American Independent Party).

By: Don Grundmann

Don Grundmann — Sat, 20 Mar 2010 07:07:45 +0000

Lu – For clarity of the current situation of the AIP and backround for this thread/post you can go to TheCorruptionOfAlanKeyes.blogspot.com.

Don J. Grundmann, D.C. Vice-Chairman American Independent Party, California branch of the Constitution Party

By: Lu Khamsyuorauon

Lu Khamsyuorauon — Sat, 20 Mar 2010 00:12:44 +0000

This is my first time here and this post was indeed thought provoking. I find there is a gap between the no. of readers and the comments . I personally think that even though I ask questions not many come fwd to answer. And believe you me, my questions are not â€˜Big Bang theoryâ€™ types.

By: Peter Gemma

Peter Gemma — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:39:47 +0000

Gary well represents the Shearer tradition of smart leadership – he has facts and passion. I hope sane and seasoned politicos from the natâ€™l CP help out their comrades in the June primary â€“ maybe Howie Phillips and Chuck Baldwin et al can do direct mail and help organize a good turnout. Iâ€™m sooo tired of seeing Bill Shearerâ€™s life-long dedication to create and perpetuate the AIP trampled and kicked aside by know-nothings. Politics should not be left to people who run at full speed with one shoe nailed to the floor.

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