All Christians MUST stick together. As a Baptist, I would rather join with an LDS church members and have faith in their devotion to this nation and what it stands for, than trust in a “secular conservative” who claims to be a Christian.

= That’s fine by me, in fact I think we might be in agreement here on convincing other members of the Constitution Party- like Richardo Davis, to switch over and join your group.

= Ok, I agree with you here- evangelicals and others need to stop attacking the LDS Church and fight to restore our Constitutional Republic.
And I do apologize for jumping the gun, but its a touchy subject for me- even in my personal life, I fought with my parents over the matter of religion a lot.

= America may have been founded on Christian Principles, but it was not meant to be based explicitly on the Christian Religion, that’s why we have the 1st Amendment and why we prohibit Religious Tests in the Constitution.

Another thing, which Bible are we talking about? The KJV?
Because remember, there are dozens or different versions of the Bible out there, and many quote verses from the scripture differently then others, so that might be a matter of concern.

While, the problem with the Pro-Life & No Exceptions argument was that people like Chris Hansen, and others in the CP that favored exceptions still were in compliance with the Pro Life plank, since it also says-

“…No government may legalize the taking of the unalienable right to life without justification, including the life of the pre-born…”

And delving into the history of abortion in the USA, originally in the early colonial times, the unborn were only protected once ‘quickening’, or being able to move about in the womb, began. This was based off of William Blackstone’s legal commentary on feticide and abortion.

In fact James Wilson, a framer of the US Constitution, once said-

“…In the contemplation of law, life begins when the infant is first able to stir in the womb. By the law, life is protected not only from immediate destruction, but from every degree of actual violence, and, in some cases, from every degree of danger.”

Abortion didn’t widely become illegal until 1900, and the first state abortion laws didn’t made it on the books until the 1820s, but such laws didn’t outlaw the practice itself per see, and such laws only protected the child after quickening. And such laws weren’t passed for religious reasons.

Right before Roe V. Wade happened however, there were already 4 states that had legalized abortion on demand and 16 other states that legalized it for exceptions-only.

And when we’re including the Christian religion on the matter of abortion, there were varying opinions of it back in the 4th to 16 Century AD, especially in the Catholic Church.
And before 1980, the Southern Baptists and many of the Pentecostal churches publicly supported exceptions for rape, incest, or the mother’s life in abortion. Today the SBC supports exceptions only for the mother’s life.

And yes, the LDS Church does support exceptions to abortion, but only after a woman consults with her Bishop, and personal prayer and inquiry to the Lord. However, the Church generally discourages abortion in those cases as well.

= I’m not stupid, the fight was only about the Abortion on the surface, yet reading the dialog in the TAV forums, and the vile and bigoted rants put out by Reed Heustis and Ben Powers’s departing letters from the CP; it was about religion and specifically the LDS faith.

While, the problem with the Pro-Life & No Exceptions argument was that people like Chris Hansen, and others in the CP that favored exceptions still were in compliance with the Pro Life plank, since it also says-

“…No government may legalize the taking of the unalienable right to life without justification, including the life of the pre-born…”

And delving into the history of abortion in the USA, originally in the early colonial times, the unborn were only protected once ‘quickening’, or being able to move about in the womb, began. This was based off of William Blackstone’s legal commentary on feticide and abortion.

In fact James Wilson, a framer of the US Constitution, once said-

“…In the contemplation of law, life begins when the infant is first able to stir in the womb. By the law, life is protected not only from immediate destruction, but from every degree of actual violence, and, in some cases, from every degree of danger.”

Abortion didn’t widely become illegal until 1900, and the first state abortion laws didn’t made it on the books until the 1820s, but such laws didn’t outlaw the practice itself per see, and such laws only protected the child after quickening. And such laws weren’t passed for religious reasons.

Right before Roe V. Wade happened however, there were already 4 states that had legalized abortion on demand and 16 other states that legalized it for exceptions-only.

And when we’re including the Christian religion on the matter of abortion, there were varying opinions of it back in the 4th to 16 Century AD, especially in the Catholic Church.
And before 1980, the Southern Baptists and many of the Pentecostal churches publicly supported exceptions for rape, incest, or the mother’s life in abortion. Today the SBC supports exceptions only for the mother’s life.

And yes, the LDS Church does support exceptions to abortion, but only after a woman consults with her Bishop, and personal prayer and inquiry to the Lord. However, the Church generally discourages abortion in those cases as well.

To Cody Quirk, I apologize if I appeared to “rush to judgment” in questioning your comments. It is reassuring to know you are a Christian, but I hope you (and millions of other Christians) will realize we Christians need to stop fighting one another and instead oppose the mis-guided agents of Anti-Christ.